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Ken Shirriff

This diagram shows the mechanism of the attitude indicator. The roll motor turns the roll gimbal, and thus the ball. The pitch and azimuth motors are crammed inside the ball. 2/N

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Ken Shirriff

With the hemisphere shells removed from the ball, you can see the internal mechanism. The pitch motor rotates the assembly around the pitch axis. The hemispheres are rotated by the azimuth (yaw) motor (not visible). 3/N

Ken Shirriff

With all these rotating assemblies in the attitude indicator, the wires would get tangled up. To avoid this, the indicator uses two sets of slip rings: one on the roll axis and one on the pitch axis. 4/N

Ken Shirriff

The attitude indicator uses 1960s-era electronics, with each angle transmitted over three wires from a synchro. The indicator uses a servo loop for each axis, using a feedback loop to rotate the motor until the shaft angle matches the input angle. A "control transformer" compares its shaft angle to the electrical input and generates an error signal. The amplifier turns the motor as needed to eliminate the error.
5/N

Ken Shirriff

The three amplifiers are in a unit that attaches to the back of the attitude indicator box. Inside are three amplifier boards, a small power supply board, and an AC transformer.
6/N

Ken Shirriff

Here's a closeup of one of the amplifier boards. It's a bit of a mess with components stacked on other components to save room. The spider-like component in the middle is a pulse transformer. It drives the transistors on the right, one for each motor direction.
7/N

Doug Bostrom

@kenshirriff

And an admirable sparsity of 10-turn pots!

Says person formerly responsible for a thing called a "neutron induction computer," a design gone bad as it was a 2U rack unit containing -93- 10-turn potentiometers.

Nightmare.

Ken Shirriff

This photo shows the attitude indicator in the F-4 cockpit. It is in the center of the control panel, below the purple radar screen.

There are two sources for attitude information, selected by the primary/standby switch in the upper left. The mounting of the switch is questionable: screwed down to the console with visible wiring.
8/N

Ken Shirriff

While researching the use of the attitude indicator in the F-4, I came across the "nuclear store consent switch". If the plane has a nuclear bomb attached, you flip this switch from the SAFE position to the upper position (REL/ARM) to arm the bomb for release. Somehow, I was expecting something more elaborate.
9/N

Ken Shirriff

For more on the F-4's attitude indicator (including reverse-engineered schematic), see my blog post at righto.com/2024/09/f4-attitude

Credits: I worked on this with @tubetime and CuriousMarc. Thanks to the collectors who provided attitude indicators and amplifiers. Aircraft photos from National Museum of the USAF: nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Mu
10/10

J. Peterson

@kenshirriff I had trouble wrapping my head around the mechanism. There's a diagram about halfway down the Wikipedia page that helps:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude

slash

@kenshirriff I could have used this years ago. I was in responsible for testing the standby flight instruments for the B-2, and the "turnball" (not sure anyone else calls it that) would work once, then fail when QA came to witness. I eventually found out why from the spec (which the USAF made hard to find), and rewrote that test.

As usual, a great view of interesting tech.

Your Future Ex

@kenshirriff @tubetime
Fascinating!
I never thought any electronics were involved with the orientation ball - I thought there's simply weight in the lower half, so whichever direction the plane is tilting, gravity would do the rest.

Ken Shirriff replied to Your Future Ex

@yourfutureex @tubetime That's the reason that the attitude indicator is vitally important: in an aircraft, gravity can feel like a completely different direction from down. For example, see the famous video of pouring iced tea in a plane while doing a barrel roll.

youtu.be/W2-9BL7sllk?si=37WnSH

synlogic

@kenshirriff it'd be non-sensual nuclear apocalypse for those below, however. ha

0tracas🖤🌱🐾🚲

@kenshirriff @0tracas
En faisant des recherches sur l'utilisation de l'indicateur d'attitude dans le F-4, je suis tombé sur le "commutateur de consentement de la réserve nucléaire". Si l'avion est équipé d'une bombe nucléaire, il faut basculer ce commutateur de la position SAFE à la position supérieure (REL/ARM) pour armer la bombe en vue de son largage. Je m'attendais à quelque chose de plus élaboré.
9/N

gudenau

@kenshirriff I've wanted to know how these things work for ages, I'll check this out when I have time!

Fritz Adalis

@kenshirriff
What's the circle above it, a CRT of some sort?

Great thread, as always.

Ken Shirriff

@FritzAdalis The reddish-purple circle is the radar scope for the AN/APQ-120 radar system.

Stu

@kenshirriff wow, that's some workmanship. Late change in requirements leading to iffy solution?

Ken Shirriff

@tehstu I've seen the switch in other aircraft photos and in the manual, so it's not a one-off hack. I think the attitude indicator originally took a single input source but later planes had two inputs.

Slatian

@kenshirriff So the syncro input is comping from the aircraft, gets converted to a mechanical position and then a servo loop makes sure the instruments position matches the one “requested” by the syncro. (Update: The transformer is even more mad than I thought, it computes the angle difference simply by rotating the output coil and the magnetic field does the rest)

Mad … (in a good way)

I guess the extra servo step is because using the syncro to drive the instrument directly would require too much force an mess up the signalling and potentially measurement?

@kenshirriff So the syncro input is comping from the aircraft, gets converted to a mechanical position and then a servo loop makes sure the instruments position matches the one “requested” by the syncro. (Update: The transformer is even more mad than I thought, it computes the angle difference simply by rotating the output coil and the magnetic field does the rest)

jack will miss this server

@kenshirriff it's astonishing what engineers had to come up with before reliable electronic displays

this is an RAF Ground Position Indicator Mk4A, a navigation computer from the 50s/60s, used in transport aircraft and some of the early jet bombers. it takes true heading, groundspeed, and drift angle inputs (the last two from a Doppler radar) and integrates to track the aircraft's movement from a known starting point

jack will miss this server

@kenshirriff I made a simulation of this in X-Plane and the code for the core behaviour of the computer is a few lines of code - and most of that is for the "fix" function, where the inputs update the memory drums instead of the display rollercounters so you can make a correction. when you move the switch back to "normal" the memory drums are driven back to the zero position and they update the display drums as they do so

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