Gregory's Server@miah counter: Freenode.
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 @ripienaar counter: libera.chat. Just because efnet turned into a shitshow, and freenode sold out doesn't mean you can't run your own server. You _DON'T_ have to chat on a "big" network. You can run your own for friends and family. "The stuff irc opers get up to" sure. Everything can be abused. Just throw your PC into the ocean already.  @miah @ripienaar “Just throw your PC into the ocean already.” This sentiment I whole heartedly agree with. @miah Point is, you have valid points about IRC and I agree a lot - but the big missing “*" is if you are able to pick a good and well run and well intentioned server or network. Much the same concerns as here etc.  @miah @ripienaar That's probably better. IRCv3 is pretty good, but the "big" networks never update their software and no one says anything in the channels. Better to run a private server for a few friends who actually use it. @miah And largely also why many of the federated services fail or dont succeed in the wider sense - its impossible to know who to trust. Even a enormous comunity of some of the most paranoid crazies on the planet (us) didnt see the Freenode thing coming @ripienaar I wonder what would have happened had Lilo not passed away. Maybe Freenode would have been different? Maybe worse? Who knows. I don't know why the past leadership sold it off. I'm totally baffled by that whole situation. @miah And indeed, I can also run my own Mastadon server - but even I dont do that I pay someone to do it. It's just not a viable answer for someone who uses Slack day to day. Until we find ways to deal with these super hard to solve problems, these suggestions are largely not useful. Many of us have tried corporate IRC servers and lol, how bad does that go. @ripienaar We ran our own IRC & ZNC servers at Bank Simple for years. We of course switched to Slack after we got bought because... probably because management wanted to read the private messages of an employee. @miah Did all your business users in the company, CEO and all other executives and sales etc, use IRC? @ripienaar Yes, everybody was on irc. We all chatted regularly. The shift happened more than a year after we got bought out. Similarly everybody was on our github enterprise. I could tag _anybody_ in the company, and we all had access to repos. It wasn't uncommon for somebody from a different department to send in a PR to fix something that was bothering them. I patched some text on our web app while I worked in ops (weird gendering of things that didnt need it). @ripienaar For a time Bank Simple was amazing, one of the best jobs of my career... up until our buyout =) We tried to keep things great then, and in many ways we got better, but in so many others we got much much worse. @ripienaar I don’t see why they couldn’t? There are significantly more arcane systems (e.g. SAP) in common use. @ripienaar @Serenus I think most people in "tech" ran a simple command line irc client, while everybody else ran the Mac Colloquy. We had a standard of "no Windows" on the server network, and after buyout our new "compliance" broke that rule, ripped out our slapd and replaced it with Active Directory. @miah Simple was the only bank I ever actually liked. It was an awesome thing to have built. Cool to hear it was on IRC too. I hate Discord and all the closed silos of information.  @ripienaar @miah ircd is just one apt install away. That is MUCH easier and lighter than mastodon.  This is what happened with the London Hackspace IRC channels. One of the moderators set up another parallel service, and the transition took place easily. :D Open Protocols for the Win! :D |
@miah Also, oh my, if you knew the shit irc operators got up to :)