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Simon McGarr

As a general rule, the state should over-supply services. There should be slack in the system almost all the time. Relaxed GPs with lots of time to talk to their patients. So many teachers that the main trouble is finding rooms for them all.

Not only does this see a better quality of service mostly, but it also cushions the system in the event of an unexpected shock.

If you have just enough professionals to deliver at 100%, you don’t have enough professionals.

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Stan Carey

@Tupp_ed Many public services in Ireland are stretched so thin that even having just enough professionals to deliver at 100% sounds like a pipe dream

Gerard Cunningham ✒️

@stancarey @Tupp_ed
Every year the HSE is pushed to breaking point by the entirely predictable and expected seasonal rise in influenza cases.
We have one of the highest pupil-teacher ratios in Europe.
We just stopped building public housing a decade ago, and we were deprecating it for years before.
But every party will campaign next election on cutting income tax and USC

ehproque

@stancarey @Tupp_ed same in the UK; the only way to see a doctor is hearing "you are number 30 in the queue" at 8AM sharp

Julian Schwarzenbach

@Tupp_ed Agreed. Resilience to surprise events e.g. COVID, Ukraine war, Afghan withdrawal is essential. However, the Tories seem to think everything has to be market tested/ contracted out. The end result - slow/ poor responses, higher costs, profiteering and a worse outcome for the country.

Bear That Codes

@jschwa1 @Tupp_ed agree too - and when it comes to services which aren’t going to be profitable (e.g. rural public transport) the ‘market test’ results in the service being scrapped even though its essential for the people who use it - just because it doesn’t make money. This is where public ownership is essential- those loss making services can be subsided easily either from taxation or the ‘profit’ made on busy urban routes.

Julian Schwarzenbach

@bearthatcodes @Tupp_ed We're not just talking rural public transport. Where I live (population c.35k) it is not possible to get to nearest large town (population c.78k) after 6pm nothing is available. They are only 8 miles apart

Captain Janegay 🫖

@Tupp_ed It also creates the conditions for innovation and improvement. Someone who's struggling to get through their daily work doesn't have time to sit back and think about ways the team could run more efficiently, or experiment with different ways of working to see which yields the best results.

Kevin Lyda

@Tupp_ed And definitely true for housing too. Natural disasters like flooding or windstorms require housing for the suddenly homeless. An inability to house homeless in non-emergency situations should make everyone worried.

CB Uí Foghlú

@lyda @Tupp_ed so true.When Midleton & Glanmire flooded during winter, ppl had no where to go so ended up in caravans/campers or couch-surfing. Not easy when entire families have to move in with friends & family who also have their own families, or having more than 1 or 2 in a camper/caravan as there's barely enough space for a quick 2 week holiday. There's always an end in sight for a holiday where ppl can go in home & shut their own front door.My cousin, partner & kids are still bouncing round

Alastair McKinstry

@Tupp_ed Yes. The mathematics of this is called Queueing Theory. You need "spare" resources to stop the queue growing. I don't have a link to the source, so take this with a grain of salt, but a few years ago a colleague demonstrated this with public health in the UK; there were 43 vets checking out Brit cow herds at 100% "efficiency". They needed 3 more to avoid a backlog growing. The result was billions of pounds wasted because they didn't stop mad cow disease in time.

Daragh Ó Briain

@amckinstry @Tupp_ed One of the best books I have read in business is this one amazon.com/Slack-Getting-Burno

Key principle: we need to allow for slack in processes so they can absorb delay, prevent burnout, but also have some reserves in the tank to deal with crises.

If @Tupp_ed wants to borrow my copy this can be arranged.

Nicole Parsons

@DaraghOBrien @amckinstry @Tupp_ed

Another factor infecting taxpayer-funded public services is the Toyota Production Method (called Lean in North America).

It's predicated on minimalism in everything. Flat management. Limits on staffing. "Just in Time" Processes. Employee training replaced by manuals. Making the staff do the janitorial work.

Unpaid overtime to make up for inadequate staffing during vacations season, flu or hurricane season, or other "unexpected" events like pandemics.

1/2

Nicole Parsons

2/2

Translated: "barely adequate" at all times, which quickly turns into "inadequate" during crises.

Toyota is also famous for its Karoshi Deaths (death from overwork).
theguardian.com/world/2008/jul
nytimes.com/2008/07/10/busines
wired.com/story/karoshi-japan-

It's another example of an exploitive fraud just like that ideology "trickle down economics".

2/2

Translated: "barely adequate" at all times, which quickly turns into "inadequate" during crises.

Toyota is also famous for its Karoshi Deaths (death from overwork).
theguardian.com/world/2008/jul
nytimes.com/2008/07/10/busines
wired.com/story/karoshi-japan-

Alfred Chow - Maker of Things

@Tupp_ed
Yes, this.
And we would have more than enough potential tax revenue to pay for it, if we just taxed properly.

molly in missouri

@Tupp_ed but the state is just there to enforce capitalism.
That's why we should work to #KillCapitalism -- because #CapitalismKills us on purpose with bombs and cops, and just as a part of doing business what with 'accidents' and 'economy'

Simon McGarr

@whatzaname I mean, there are a large range of states, with a varying degree of experiences.

molly in missouri

@Tupp_ed i don't think many so far exist without violence and coercion, othering and hierarchies enforced with guns to keep people in line. And all place economy over humanity.

We can do so much better! And if we don't, we don't make it because at the rate we are going, the planet will wipe us out with its inevitable response

molly in missouri

@Tupp_ed that said, we do indeed need to facilitate a society in which there is slack built into our lives, rather then every one of us run ragged, and the most important tasks -- taking care of ourselves and others-- have been pushed into the 'optional, if you have free time' category.
Because #capitalism and its tool, the state, want us all to be efficient cogs in a machine with only one actual purpose:
Enrich A Specific Few.

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@Tupp_ed

This is what traditionally engineers called 'redundancy' . It is also a property of systems such as electricity supply.

briand

@djr @Tupp_ed the redundancy approach may not have reached the national grid in Ireland yet.

jackLondon

@Tupp_ed

If you have too many employed by the state you are heading into the arms of the IMF for rescue...... and enforced mass layoffs & tax hikes

There is a happy medium

Simon McGarr

@jackLondon I think there may be a gap between your proposed cause and effect.

jackLondon

@Tupp_ed

Well certainly there is an economic gap in your proposal..... which may be why there is not a state in the world where what you describe obtains....

Simon McGarr

@jackLondon I see. Well, I suppose you have me there. Snookered.

Maggie Maybe

@Tupp_ed
100% right.
JIT inventory (or Pull rather than push) doesn’t work anymore, it stopped working for products in 2020 & it has never really worked with people because we have too many variables compared to a walmart product on a shelf.

Gerard Cunningham ✒️

@maggiejk @Tupp_ed
JIT for people is zero hour contracts.
Great for corporations, terrible for people.

Muiris

@Tupp_ed 💯. There is this short-sighted, linear thinking paranoia ingrained across the public service that they cannot provide adequate funding for any project from the start as this will be viewed by tax payers (via the media) as waste. The irony is that they end up having to spend even more as they need to hire contractors on short notice who end up patching up all the inevitable problems created by penny pinching, lack of flexibility, thin requirements & terrible planning caused at the start.

Dave Smeg

@Tupp_ed
20 years ago the GP Surgery I went to had 3 practices. All of them had 3 Doctors on permanant staff along with 1 locum. Each practice also had 3 nurses on site, one of which was a midwife.
Now, patient numbers have almost doubled, all 3 have merged into 1. There are 2 locum doctors and 2 nurses to serve the whole building.
Midwifery is now only available in the main hospital 10 miles away.

Epistatacadam

@Tupp_ed to be more precise 20 to 30 % oversupply with similar oversupply of facilities, is probably enough to prevent increasing waiting lists.

Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

@Tupp_ed I wanted to see a GP in Australia. Phoned up. "When can I see a doctor?" The answer? "Just come along whenever you like, we're not very busy today."

Marc Fritsche

@Tupp_ed To do this their mindset would have to change completely. At the moment their thinking is that they can't provide too many services in case they might be used. 😖

Three plus or minus five

@Tupp_ed
The cry for “more efficiency” in services is hard for voters to reject, since it sounds like a good thing; who wouldn’t like to pay less for the same result? But you’re absolutely correct: most systems get large efficiency gains only at the expense of robustness, quality, or convenience.

Sp🎃🎃kulainn

@ThreeSigma @Tupp_ed
There's a reason that the relationship between Time/Cost/Quality is so central to business management.
Once the "accepted wisdom" of public service inefficiency has been established, it frees people to demand better, faster services at a lower price.

Mark

@ThreeSigma @Tupp_ed Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the budget of the health service almost multiples of what it was 10 years ago? If money is being flung at it and you don’t get results then “efficiencies” might explain a few things.

Efficiencies doesn’t mean that anybody works harder, just that processes are efficient.

Three plus or minus five

@mark @Tupp_ed

The easiest way to make a hospital more efficient is to reduce the number of empty beds.

I’m not sure which country’s health services you mean, but I wouldn’t say outcomes are the same as 50 years ago for any of them.

davidvedvick

@Tupp_ed this is NOT running government like a business! 😱

Arazil

@Tupp_ed I would argue those same staffing rules apply to most businesses as well... There should be too many sales reps on the floor waiting to greet customers and give them the time it takes to solve their problems. It projects an air of professionalism, competence, care, and prosperity that you don't see in most "lean" companies today.

A cool crab wearing shades

@Tupp_ed "just in time" logistics makes some jackass a fat bonus for 'saving money' but makes a system extremely brittle.

Joborg

@Tupp_ed @pluralistic We should be so lucky that 100% suffices.
The ongoing overtime ban of a Swedish healthcare union has been called a menace to society, disregarding the annual cuts ("hyvling"/planing a board) that have brought us to this point.
thelocal.se/20240425/swedish-h

Nini

@Tupp_ed But that flows counter to the MBA set who insist on just-in-time lean services, everyone must be working with the bare minimum of both time and money!

decapitae

@Tupp_ed Corruption and focus on monetary gain have been the real drivers of the 'conomies for over half a century.
The viewpoint you have is reasonable. There are those who wish to trade reason for whatever the heck they are whining about curently in their toothpick-houses-of-reason that they've had to buld because the professional conmen have stolen all the glass to build their fragile glass-houses-of-unreason with.
People aren't waking up from this nightmare fast enough. 😓

Benjamin Reed

@Tupp_ed @donaldball It seems our entire society has adopted the "just-in-time" model of Kanban, but without the other side of the process, which is supposed to be that any time you run into a problem that causes the line to break, you improve the system so it can never happen again.

OddOpinions5

@Tupp_ed

I would strongly disagree because afaik many people are lonely and talkative and use very $ GP time as chat time

OddOpinions5

@Tupp_ed

When he was pastor of the largest church in Brooklyn NY, Ward Beecher said:
If I have a job that absolutely has to get done, I ask the busiest man in my parish to do it

Jonathan T

@Tupp_ed This is just basic 'common sense' from a retention of knowledge and skills perspective. If everyone is working at 100% capacity all of the time, then there's no capacity left to properly train new staff when your more experienced employees leave. This leads to an inevitable degradation because new staff never gain all the knowledge they need. Rinse and repeat for a few cycles and your organisation is now in crisis because people no longer know how to do the basics properly.

Jonathan T

@Tupp_ed It also prevents your organisation from progressing. It becomes impossible to improve processes because no one has the time or energy to even think about making them better, never mind trialling, documenting and training people in newer, better ways of doing things. This is how you end up with people doing things just because that's "the way they've always been done" even when that way is completely wrong.

Jonathan T

@Tupp_ed (Guess what happens at the organisation I work for)

PhDog 🇮🇪

@Tupp_ed
This is a good rule for all types of professionals.

wbftw

@Tupp_ed Basics of queueing theory should be thought in schools.

Opus Fluke

@Tupp_ed Since 1979 the UK is astonished that the NHS has more infections, injuries due to falls from ice and Christmas parties, food poisoning from poorly cooked turkeys etc. Every winter.
Every. Year.

Andrew Douglass

@Tupp_ed people with MBAs are the biggest threat to government services.

nerdwoman

@Tupp_ed This is true for any group that does upkeep and emergency response - including in IT. If they are busy 100% of every day, you do not have enough people on that team. And tbh they're definitely miserable.

tsld

@Tupp_ed
Love this. I mean, obviously we don't want tons of folks just waiting around to doctor or teach, but let's make (the already possible) abundance the baseline.

eyrea

@Tupp_ed 🤔 I've been one of the teachers they couldn't find room for. Those of us with transferable skills either went overseas or to other jobs. Some people, like me, lingered in short-term contracts with no benefits and no paid prep time before finally getting out.

What was talked about at the time, and would benefit students as well as teachers, would be a hop-on hop-off scenario where you could stay or leave as needed, working elsewhere in between.

Finner

@Tupp_ed

".. enough to deliver at 100%"

It would be great to have at least that instead of "whatever the lowest number is that generates maximum profit and shareholder return".

Trixter of the Moon Council

@Tupp_ed This is why people who think businessmen make good politicians makes me so angry. Government should be the opposite of business.

Colman Reilly

@trixter @Tupp_ed that's not even good business. Not in the long term.

Christian Kent

@trixter @Tupp_ed I’ll distinguish between financialisation culture and product people. Some people want to play Jenga with society, safety and quality; there are others who designed and made the products and prototypes in the first place.

Plenty of “businessmen” fail and only half of small businesses succeed in their first year. A respect for numbers is needed — nothing complex, just arithmetic, percentages, etc. And alongside that, energy, bravery, tenacity. And some luck.

“Opposite” 🤷‍♂️

Christian Kent

@trixter @Tupp_ed In a world where “we CAN have nice things” you DO need public services to be effective and efficient.

But to get there you first have to allow them to be — culturally. It’s currently blocked, on a philosophical level, in parts of the USA. For some it’s just lifetimes of expectation. For others it’s deliberate strategy.

But it comes down in the fine detail — why do you think public transit in the US always uses black & dark designs & architecture? It’s low-key unwelcoming.

Christian Kent

@trixter @Tupp_ed There’s no need for jazz & marketing to be the sole province of business culture … but it is, if the only time you see bright colours is around Coca-Cola signs and Disney parks. Jazz used to be around jazz … but how do you sell tickets to a street party

In any case — it can be quite a nice shock visiting a post office or a government office in Europe (certain examples specifically) if you’ve never done that before, and haven’t had the plush atmosphere and friendly wayfinding

the Amygdalai Lama

@Tupp_ed
yes, it turns everything into a massive, wasteful joke, we spend and work to do a thing, but not really, not fully. We could spend a billion and fix it all, or we could spend nine hundred million and leave some of it broken so that the nine tenths of a billion was a waste and what is broken can continue to break.
.
Capitalism is a dollar store where nothing is real.

Yaseen :neocat_flag_agender: 🏳️‍⚧️

@ShadowJonathan @punishmenthurts @Tupp_ed the reason why the state is “wasteful” is because contractual stuff goes to the lowest bidder, not the most cost-effective. Therefore everything is done on the cheap at first, then the cheapness shows up and has to be fixed.

What could have been 500 billion done well, is now 300 billion done poorly and an additional 600 billion of papering things over that still doesn’t do the job.

Butch

@Tupp_ed yes, would be so nice to have something left over after the day is done. We blew through the days of 'the greater good' a ways back and I don't know if we'll ever see them again.

Mr. E. Grey Seale

@Tupp_ed this isn't entirely a capitalism problem. Most people also want to get back to their chosen entertainment venue. That being netflix, tiktok, youtube, video games, etc.

Mike Spillane

@Tupp_ed once worked with someone who wanted Michael O'leary to run the country like ryanair.... 😐

Ted Johnson

@Tupp_ed The USA learned that during the pandemic. Well... SHOULD HAVE learned that.

Trent

@Tupp_ed pretty much all of the hospitals in Australia are 100%+ capacity today. On the first day of winter and with a mild respiratory infection season so far.

We're going to be so screwed in August. @daedalus

varve

@Tupp_ed efficiency is by definition fragile. Infrastructure of any kind (hard or human) has to plan for peak demand, not average demand. Yes it's less efficient! Efficiency is what breaks supply lines when there's a disaster, because there's no flexibility or redundancy.

Brendan (he/him)

@Tupp_ed @kagan

I think this bears repeating - and more generally.

If you have JUST enough staff to deliver - at 100% - then you do NOT have enough staff.

Christian Kent

@Tupp_ed @Pkbwood And don’t be mad when buses are empty. A turn-up-and-go service means it’s there when you DON’T need it — not just when you do.

The same people wouldn’t complain about empty roads — if a street spends 5 minutes, or 5 hours without a traffic jam, is it “too big”?

No, because we’ve been educated by a certain industry to accept nothing less. (By spending our own money on it, not theirs, of course).

Steven Bodzin bike & subscribe

@ckent @Tupp_ed @Pkbwood Imagine a park, airport or beach that was always at 100% capacity

Mark Dennehy

@Tupp_ed But that's not financially efficient so we won't be able to deliver value for our shareholders!

Alice Dubiel 🔬💉🦠😷🌬

@Tupp_ed Not having adequate slack in a services or social system means running on crisis management which feeds on the myth of individual consciousness. One result is no adequate evaluation. Without evaluation and analysis of statistics, patterns, trends, planning strategies depend increasingly on biases, whimsy and desperation instead of best practices or even common sense. Capitalism and militarism exploit crisis management.
#evaluation #bestpractices

MarjorieR

@Tupp_ed this is currently most evident in the UKs national health service. We have, for many years, tried to run this at near 100% capacity, both in terms of staff time and beds and equipment. This when demand is clearly seasonal. Basic queuing theory shows that when you push anywhere near 100% you end up with a permanent queue, which is what we see. Add in unexpected crises, like COVID, and the queues explode and staff end up totally exhausted and many quit, which makes it worse.

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