I am gathering a list of people who want to be involved in the discussion around the formation of a "United Federation of Instances" which is an attempt to combat the fracturing of the fediverse and the general spreading of misinformation WRT moderation decisions.
If anyone is interested in being a part of it let me know in the replies. I will add you to the list, share the draft proposal, and we can start discussions. I have several people already interested.
@freemo I do not meant to discourage you, but I believe that there have been multiple attempts on solving this issue, various covenants I think they were called.
Therefor my question is how this "United Federation of Instances" would be any different from prior works and how it would be successful in achieving it's goal.
@freemo why not just publish the draft first and have the discussion in the open? I would think you could generate more interest that way.
Have you reached out to other instance admin about this?
I feel like this could result in some negative unintended consequences. De-federation, and the social threat of de-federation is the main tool to apply pressure to instance admins that are not sufficiently moderating their community.
This seems it would make that process harder.
So i tried posting an ad on twitter for QOTO just for shits and giggles and see what sort of conversion we get... Astonishingly we have a 11% engagement rate... that is absolutely unheard of in advertising. Normally its <1%... Not sure if ill continue advertising or not but it was an interesting experience to say the least.
@freemo
With the "former guy" being reinstated, I did one last "birdsite note" and included a direction to qoto, if my followers are STEM oriented and not sure what instance to jump onto.
@freemo I say go for it, if it gets seen more, and you get more sales, unless this is all just a joke but if you're really trying to sell something I say take advantage of it as much as you can.
The spike from the recent innflux of twitter users is so enourmous it has completely distorted the users graph. You cant evenn read the numbers any more and the daily user graph spiked past the total user graph.
@freemo Will be curious to see how it dies back down. My longtime mastodon using friend is convinced most of the tweeps will sort into their own servers that keep up the culture and posting habits of twitter, rather than truly acclimate to existing servers. I think tweeps could definitely benefit from laying off the outrage reactionary pedal a bit, but at the same time it's been eye opening to see marginalized cross-overs point to problems in mastodon that are hard to see from the inside.
I mentioned this in a private message to someone recently about why a small handful of servers block qoto. I wanted to reiterate it here for the new comers on QOTO who dont know the history:
So there are some servers out there that demand every server int he network block every instance they do, and if a server doesnt block an instance they block then they block you in rettatliation.
Their reason for this is quite flawed but it goes like this.. If we federate with a bad actor instance and we boost one of their posts then their users will see it and defeat the purpose of the block. The problem is, this isnt how it actually works. If they block a server and we boost it, they wont see the boost, thats how blocks work.
The issue becomes even more complicated when you consider the fact that these servers, by virtue of their policy, have huge block lists where they block tons of major servers. So in order to satisfy them we too would have to block a huge number of servers.
This means you have a choice, you either join a server that isnt blocked, but has a huge block list themselves, or, you join a server that doesnt block and be blocked by a small handful of servers. Obviously that means on QOTO you will have bigger view of the world than you would on any of these others servers. In fact QOTO has onne of the largest federation footprints of any server in the network.
I want to also explain why we choose the decision we did. Years ago when this controversy started and servers across the fediverse started blocking there was a divide of people taking sides. WOTO was one of the few servers that didnt take sides and allowed people read content from any server (but with strict hate speech rules). This caused a huge influx of people,s pecifically from the LGBTQ community, onto our server. It turns out many people relied on us not-blocking for their physical safety. There were big name biggots (like milo yanappolus) who were on the network. They used their accounts here to watch his account for doxing so they could warn themselves and their community and protect themselves accordingly. In fact we added a feature just for them called subscriptions which allowed them to monitor accounts without following them so they could do so anonymously.
In tthe end for the safety of the LGBTQ community here we refused to engage in mass server blocking and instead encouraged our users to block servers on an individual basis and provided access to block lists for them to do so. But some really misguided servers blocked us anyway.
Thankfully the servers blocking us are few and far between and are limited to only the most excessive and aggressive block lists. As I said, QOTO has one of the largest federation footprints on the fediverse,
I mentioned this in a private message to someone recently about why a small handful of servers block qoto. I wanted to reiterate it here for the new comers on QOTO who dont know the history:
So there are some servers out there that demand every server int he network block every instance they do, and if a server doesnt block an instance they block then they block you in rettatliation.
@freemo it seems like I accidentally stumbled into the right instance! Also I'm glad there's choice out there for people who want to have massive predetermined block lists because that's how they roll, and I'm glad this choice exists for me.
I'm very happy as well, that I chose qoto. I prefer to block people by myself (and never did so after years on twitter).
I'm here to connect, not to block.
Thank you @freemo for doing such a good job.
Holy hell the twitter exodus is **still** accelerating. The influx of new users is up about 33% from yesterday, our biggest day so far. We are now seeing over 1,300 new users every day on QOTO!
QT: https://qoto.org/@users/109306675892484412
@freemo For me it's not an exodus from Twitter (haven't used it in years) but reading good posts on Hacker News about Mastodon and it appealing with my values much more than any other social media.
Holy crap, google is apparently taking down all/most fediverse apps from google play on the grounds that that some servers in the fediverse engage in hate speech. At least three apps I know of anyway and I'd imagine the others will follow soon under the exact same reasoning.} Seems to be the case with Husky, Fedilab, and "subway" tooter.
this is a scary precedent if google play is going to ban any apps that can in any way be used to access content with hate speech. So what about a forum client, do they take that down just because there is a forum somewhere on the internet posting hate speech?
This is particularly worrisome because for most people Google Play is the only way they understand to install apps at all.
Picture attached of one of the notices received by fedilab.
Holy crap, google is apparently taking down all/most fediverse apps from google play on the grounds that that some servers in the fediverse engage in hate speech. At least three apps I know of anyway and I'd imagine the others will follow soon under the exact same reasoning.} Seems to be the case with Husky, Fedilab, and "subway" tooter.
A week ago I was a bit harsh for a decision you made some time ago. While I do think my response in that was fair it was unfair of me not to recognise that more recently you have defended our server in some discussions. I appreciate that and wanted to apologize for not highlighting that along side my criticisms of you,
I'm sorry and thank you. That has been bugging me since I said it.
@Gargron I need to ask for a desperately needed but I hope simple feature.
The ability to retroactively suspend all accounts that signed up with an e-mail from a blacklisted address.
We have a massive number of spam accounts that register dozens or more accounts at a time before spamming allowing them to easily circumvent the email blacklist system.
@Gargron qucik question. Has anything changed on joinmastodon in the last week? We saw a rather sudden drop in traffic from the site for some reason. It is significant and i cant figure out why.
@freemo I do not meant to discourage you, but I believe that there have been multiple attempts on solving this issue, various covenants I think they were called.
Therefor my question is how this "United Federation of Instances" would be any different from prior works and how it would be successful in achieving it's goal.
@freemo You might wish to talk with @pixel about his past experiences (I have no knowledge on whether he'd want to take any part, but he might have valuable information he'd want to share due to having written https://github.com/pixeldesu/fediverse-friendly-moderation-covenant).
@freemo why not just publish the draft first and have the discussion in the open? I would think you could generate more interest that way.
Have you reached out to other instance admin about this?
I feel like this could result in some negative unintended consequences. De-federation, and the social threat of de-federation is the main tool to apply pressure to instance admins that are not sufficiently moderating their community.
This seems it would make that process harder.