Gregory's Server@mariellequinton @mbonsma the form of distraction that has grown massively in recent years is ppl believing they can be deep in their online world while out on the street, and it is a plague that affects both drivers and pedestrians. *of course* drivers have more responsibility, but suggesting that anyone has carte blanche to be competely oblivious to their surroundings while out and about isn't going to end well.
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@mariellequinton @mbonsma I absolutely do suggest that and typically drive with windows open whenever I can. It's a very different point from saying to pedestrians "you have a right to be distracted" in the middle of an epidemic of distraction. Everyone has the obligation to use the senses they have to the best of their ability. @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma Well, i'd say it is way more assymetrical. If you've the potential to kill a person, your obligation is way higher. That's what is in discussion here imo. @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma It's an interesting debate... When pedestrians are far more likely to be injured or worse, it may mean we'd expect greater care to be taken with their own safety? Any noise canceling headphones will alter your experience of your surroundings & I believe should be used when you are in a position to do so without risk - consider cycling, skiing, driving - these are not times to block or mask your hearing in my opinion. Stay safe people 🙏 ❤️ @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma Exactly, we are not the problem but it is not wise to be distracted when crossing the street @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma some of us need noise canceling headphones to negotiate the world. should autistic people not leave the house? @elizabethveldon @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma did anybody say that? @0rcus @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma you just did when you went on about noise canceling headphones? @elizabethveldon @meganisalanis @efialto @mariellequinton @mbonsma The only thing ppl should do is whatever they reasonably can, and that is obviously a whole patchwork of different abilities. How I understand "distracted" is "being less alert to your surroundings than you can reasonably be expected to." That doesn't sound like what you would be doing. @twobiscuits @meganisalanis @efialto @mariellequinton @mbonsma yet noise canceling headphones where specificly brought up as a form of distraction. would you want to check in with the relitives of the person you killed to check if they should have been wearing those headphones? @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma noise cancelling car cabs would be even worse then right? So purchasing a car with that feature is irresponsible and reckless regardless of how it's driven  @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma "When pedestrians are far more likely to be injured or worse, it may mean we'd expect greater care to be taken with their own safety?" I hear this often, but I don't follow the logic – there seems to be a step (or more) missing there, and no one who makes this claim seems able to fill it in. What makes it different from requiring the target, not the shooter, to take greater responsibility for avoiding gunshot injury? @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma to be injured or worse by what? You're missing the point entirely. @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton we tried this already (all road safety campaigns for the last 80 years) and it's not working @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma "epidemic of distraction" [citation needed] @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma a pedestrian is way less likely to kill you than you are likely to kill them. This isn't a semetrical relationship. @elizabethveldon @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma @mariellequinton @twobiscuits @mbonsma I walk around with my fingers in my ears because sirens need to be made loud enough to penetrate closed car windows. I can't put my fingers in my ears when I'm on a bike. @mariellequinton @twobiscuits @mbonsma No accountability for those who wield all the danger and can cause all the harm to others.  @mariellequinton @twobiscuits @mbonsma don’t forget to make sure you make eye contact* with drivers when crossing the street! *likely impossible with modern and illegal window tints all over the place @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma I agree. I have to be super diligent against cars to stay safe. I wear a reflector vest at night. I'm even considering getting an air horn to "honk" at people who aren't paying attention when I'm walking. I think we have to be more diligent, not less. @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma the idea that we need to be on guard at all times in public is unhealthy and a bad idea on a lot of levels. My right to go for a walk should not be limited by someone else's desire to go faster. We're not safe in buildings either - at least 3 cars have run into buildings in my city in the last week or so. Should we avoid being distracted while sitting in restaurants or on the couch? @thesquirrelfish @mariellequinton @mbonsma I think we have some very different environments in mind. I’m in the centre of a historic European city. The modal split of walking and cycling here are both > 20% for the whole city, and higher here in the middle. The first thing that’s gonna happen to you if you are walking along in a daze is walking slap into another pedestrian, and it won't take long. Being out and about is cool here, but if you want to have a daydream you better choose your spot. @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma I have tested this in many world cities, Europe included, and no one has been harmed when cars were not involved. @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma it’s not “of course” though. At least in #America we have a serious case of car brain, which means we consider motor vehicles part of one’s body until they ram into somebody, maiming or killing them, when all of a sudden there was no driver present—to describe one symptom. It’s really wild when you start to see this for the sickness it is. |
@twobiscuits @mbonsma Somehow no one ever suggests drivers should open their windows, turn off their stereos, slow down, and look around. Modern cars are so soundproof many drivers can't hear sirens from emergency vehicles. But it's pedestrians that aren't paying enough attention? It's drivers not paying attention and going too fast.