Gregory's Server@twobiscuits @mbonsma Somehow no one ever suggests drivers should open their windows, turn off their stereos, slow down, and look around. Modern cars are so soundproof many drivers can't hear sirens from emergency vehicles. But it's pedestrians that aren't paying enough attention? It's drivers not paying attention and going too fast.
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@twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma Well, i'd say it is way more assymetrical. If you've the potential to kill a person, your obligation is way higher. That's what is in discussion here imo. @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma It's an interesting debate... When pedestrians are far more likely to be injured or worse, it may mean we'd expect greater care to be taken with their own safety? Any noise canceling headphones will alter your experience of your surroundings & I believe should be used when you are in a position to do so without risk - consider cycling, skiing, driving - these are not times to block or mask your hearing in my opinion. Stay safe people 🙏 ❤️ @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma Exactly, we are not the problem but it is not wise to be distracted when crossing the street @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma some of us need noise canceling headphones to negotiate the world. should autistic people not leave the house? @elizabethveldon @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma did anybody say that? @0rcus @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma you just did when you went on about noise canceling headphones? @elizabethveldon @meganisalanis @efialto @mariellequinton @mbonsma The only thing ppl should do is whatever they reasonably can, and that is obviously a whole patchwork of different abilities. How I understand "distracted" is "being less alert to your surroundings than you can reasonably be expected to." That doesn't sound like what you would be doing. @twobiscuits @meganisalanis @efialto @mariellequinton @mbonsma yet noise canceling headphones where specificly brought up as a form of distraction. would you want to check in with the relitives of the person you killed to check if they should have been wearing those headphones? @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma noise cancelling car cabs would be even worse then right? So purchasing a car with that feature is irresponsible and reckless regardless of how it's driven  @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma "When pedestrians are far more likely to be injured or worse, it may mean we'd expect greater care to be taken with their own safety?" I hear this often, but I don't follow the logic – there seems to be a step (or more) missing there, and no one who makes this claim seems able to fill it in. What makes it different from requiring the target, not the shooter, to take greater responsibility for avoiding gunshot injury? @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma to be injured or worse by what? You're missing the point entirely. @meganisalanis @efialto @twobiscuits @mariellequinton we tried this already (all road safety campaigns for the last 80 years) and it's not working @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma "epidemic of distraction" [citation needed] @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma a pedestrian is way less likely to kill you than you are likely to kill them. This isn't a semetrical relationship. @elizabethveldon @twobiscuits @mariellequinton @mbonsma @mariellequinton @twobiscuits @mbonsma I walk around with my fingers in my ears because sirens need to be made loud enough to penetrate closed car windows. I can't put my fingers in my ears when I'm on a bike. @mariellequinton @twobiscuits @mbonsma No accountability for those who wield all the danger and can cause all the harm to others.  @mariellequinton @twobiscuits @mbonsma don’t forget to make sure you make eye contact* with drivers when crossing the street! *likely impossible with modern and illegal window tints all over the place |
@mariellequinton @mbonsma I absolutely do suggest that and typically drive with windows open whenever I can. It's a very different point from saying to pedestrians "you have a right to be distracted" in the middle of an epidemic of distraction. Everyone has the obligation to use the senses they have to the best of their ability.