@eddynamite1969 @HistoPol @smallcircles @session @briar pour Briar, l'application a vraiment un usage spécifique (journalisme, manif, hors-ligne) pour une communication de tous les jours, il faut mieux chercher une alternative, car Briar consomme beaucoup de batterie malheureusement :-(
Sur wikilibriste, il y a pas mal d'autres applications à tester, mais il y a toujours pas beaucoup de monde dessus.

@ianp5a

Registering for #Telegram (and maybe #Signal?)

ah, yes, good point!

Now I remember. On that day, I wasted about 2 hours trying to find a page which would provide a scrap phone number. All where either already know and blocked or did not work out. So I stopped trying.

@smallcircles

@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles
Yeah, Threema's business model is to provide the network (and the server code) as a paid service. So given that, It is not clear under what kind of open source license they could publish the server code. Once their network was big enough, supposedly they could say, yeah.. here's the code, go ahead and try to compete with us. But some of their bigger business clients might choose to run their own server.

@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles
At this point I'm not taking the open source == good (just coz) argument at face value anymore. The future of Matrix always seems somehow, em.. unconfirmed? An interesting project. I wonder where it will go. There's been a LOT of VC funding up to now, one might assume some return is expected at some point. Maybe not though. I've run jabber servers in the past, I still have one, but federated XMPP just somehow can't seem to take hold outside of its own niche.

@MartinBe @HistoPol @smallcircles
Threema "works", if you mean technically. yes. There is also a desktop client.
The app source code is available: (unfortunately on github) https://github.com/threema-ch/threema-android

As to whether it "works" socially, there is an extra barrier to trying to move your network there, which is that each user has to buy a license (for less than the price of a beer in many countries) and this seems to be a huge barrier for most people who prefer their chat apps to be "free" 😉

@MartinBe @HistoPol

well, if you refer to the "original one" as the one distributed via Google Play, the it is kinda unsurprising that this specific version depends on Google Play.

If you don't have GPlay, you have the alternative method.

I have also heard that both APKs are actually completely identical (including autoupdate), even though I haven't checked that myself.

Either way, I feel that the term "original" in this conversation is used primarily to be able to be antagonistic...

@raphaelmorgan

(3/4)

...a playstore. Yes, paying with a credit card or mobile payment like PayPal or ApplePay is a traceable action. Having the app might be an issue in some countries and might become one, if the French justice ministry gets its way (all e2ee is suspicious--see TL,) but what kind of world will we be living in, if owning an e2ee messenger app becomes illegal?

And then, the way I understand it, #Threema never gets your phone number. If you use TOR or VPN, I don't see much...

@HistoPol @smallcircles
That might work in an organisation but I am in an organisation, I just exchange messages with friends and colleagues in a considerable number of countries. The universal response is “let’s just use email” - failing that then text if we really must - a few use What’sApp and the rest simply are not interested (“what’s wrong with email”). And what is wrong with email - it’s a good question.