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Morgan

@HistoPol for communications apps that's easier said than done. If I use only good open source products to communicate, I can't communicate with pretty much anyone I know offline

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HistoPol (#HP)

@raphaelmorgan
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No, I know. That is why I don't say this lightly.

The only really safe form of communication is to meet in person at a remote space (no wires;),) as an infosec contact pointed out some months ago.

It is always a trade off.
However, with the FBI getting relatively easy access (see my TL) to any US based server and with the increasing overreach of local law enforcement, the server location is as important as the organization behind it.
This pretty much eliminates most...

HistoPol (#HP)

@raphaelmorgan

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...US based services. Of course, China and Russia are even worse (see my TL.)

That said, I'd like to reach a consensus, which of the apps, and there is an interesting French librarian post here that has more alternatives, is the best option for most that are willing to invest the 5 bucks (if necessary)and a bit of time, but are no techies and want to include their non-tech savvy family and friends.

I guess hardly anybody will have a smartphone that is not connected to..

HistoPol (#HP)

@raphaelmorgan

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...a playstore. Yes, paying with a credit card or mobile payment like PayPal or ApplePay is a traceable action. Having the app might be an issue in some countries and might become one, if the French justice ministry gets its way (all e2ee is suspicious--see TL,) but what kind of world will we be living in, if owning an e2ee messenger app becomes illegal?

And then, the way I understand it, #Threema never gets your phone number. If you use TOR or VPN, I don't see much...

HistoPol (#HP)

@raphaelmorgan

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...potential for security breeches. Of course, if you have the tools of the intelligence services at hand, there is no really secure form for non-infosec people.
But this cannot be the yardstick.

Yes, the weak link might be the payment, but other than what I wrote, did I miss anything essential?

If not, this might be a solution for many people.

Most anything is better than WhatsApp in this regard. Meta cooperates best with US law enforcement and has the worst...

@raphaelmorgan

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...potential for security breeches. Of course, if you have the tools of the intelligence services at hand, there is no really secure form for non-infosec people.
But this cannot be the yardstick.

Yes, the weak link might be the payment, but other than what I wrote, did I miss anything essential?

HistoPol (#HP)

@raphaelmorgan

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...type of leaks (#CambridgeAnalyticaSummit, ) probably apart from post-Dorsey #Twitter (#X,) soon to become the "everything app," like the state-surveillance tool #WeChat, if #Elmo continues to have his way and people are stupid enough to follow him down that rabbit hole (#TESCREAL.)
But this goes way beyond this convo.

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