Gregory's Server@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles
#Threema has an f-droid repo:
https://threema.ch/en/faq/libre_installation
Actually one of the few projects taking advantage of the fact that f-droid is built to be #decentralised
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@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles @distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles @kino @HistoPol @smallcircles well close source/private != Privacy, you cannot own your data in your own server, you can't audity the code so you don't know what they do with your data @distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles In general I find that false dichotomies don't help here. "Audited" code is overrated. (History has already absolved me) It may even lure into the false sense of security trap. @kino @HistoPol @smallcircles so instead trust many tech people that audity the code we should trust what one company behind those server said?, With XMPP you can choose several server some of those behind social activist such as disroot or use your own server @distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles  (1/2) Thank you for your well-thought comment based on your wast experience. I tend to disagree with your overall conclusion, though: "There are no absolute correct choices here." Maybe. But we presently have "one size fits all", at least in the West, and that is #WhatsApp. @kino @distopico @smallcircles (2/3) ...alternative messengers. The cannot indict everyone. This will protect the minorities (persecuted by the NS,) that direly need this protection. I can see that many people might yet opt for even more security. But in this case, maybe even 3rd best would be way better than sticking with data kraken #Meta. For instance, #Mastodon is definitely not the best solution for everyone. But yet, it has... @kino @distopico @smallcircles (3/4) ...become the biggest non-corporate competitor. I think the challange is finding the smallest common denominator and then promoting that (except for specialits lice infosec, who can easily manage 2 or more messengers.) This is not about convenience anymore. This is information warfare preparation. Looking at what happened in the countries of the former Arab Spring or Iran and in particular to Russia and... @kino @distopico @smallcircles (4/5) ...foremost China gives a pretty clear picture how this might turn really ugly. The foremost global market square of ideas, #Twitter, is already lost. It had played a vital role in the Arab Spring. For instance, #Telegram might be #freemium software, distributed and all, but its operational servers are in the #UAE, an autocratic state, where you'd better not... @kino @distopico @smallcircles (5/5) ... be involved in serious car accient with a local as a foreigner. In short, I think the choices would be very limited, if the criteria I mentioned earlier were applied. // @HistoPol @kino @smallcircles is not limited, is just the basic requirement, you don't have privacy if you don't have transparency and you can't have transparency with close/privative software So for a WhatsApp replacement the base requirements should be - Free software client/server @HistoPol @kino @smallcircles that is one of my points, why if we have XMPP and Matrix we want to promote more options? That makes pretty hard to the end user choice one of those, XMPP, Matrix, SimpleXChat, Jam,DeltaXChat and Signal,Threema these last two with close/restrictive parts, I prefer promote the others that respect the user freedom and privacy and have similar features privacy/e2e encryption video/calls + federation/decentralized, transparency etc @distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles |
@kino @HistoPol @smallcircles reading about Threema is similar to signal in terms like the server is close source and not #decentrilized / #federated like #XMPP or #Matrix