@aral@mastodon.ar.al Is it worth getting to just jailbreak the phone to run de-googled android?

And please do not enter my mentions with “but you can install a different operating system on it.”

Statistically speaking, no one does that.

No one buys a car and changes the engine except for car geeks.

(Not to mention the legitimacy an organisation with the stated goals of Waag/FairPhone gives to surveillance capitalism by endorsing Google… I mean, that’s something special that money can’t buy.)

@aral fair

@aral aside from that, the thing is too damned big. “Designed for You” unless you’re assigned female at birth or
have small hands for other reasons
or can only use one hand or
have reduced mobility in your hands.

@aral @murena sells it with /e/os directely installed on it... doesn't need to install it manually

@aral same with removing a phone jack: https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9836188988049-Audio-Jack-3-5mm

"In the current user feedback surveys we see more people being critical about the current Fairphone dimensions than about the fact that they have to use an adapter for using devices with headphone jack."

But no numbers given :/

@aral the shit part is that if they don't do it, lots of people won't buy their product.

In my country (idk how it is elsewhere), banking or government apps literally will not work unless you have them installed through the app store (which ok you can spoof if you know what you're doing but same argument as changing OS applies) and/or unless you have Google Play Services. It's a huge issue for google-free custom OS users too.

It's a damned if they do, damned if they don't type situation

@aral Google Chrome is my favourite app (for downloading Firefox)

@aral didn't they have a de googlified phone? The one I had seen advertised in US by Murena had that as an option.

@aral I'm not sure what's outrageous about a company that makes #android phones making android phones? #fairphone has chosen a very specific battle to fight in this industry, and this is a battle they will lose if they're fighting on other fronts. They have a history of supporting other builds on their phones, and, as others here have mentioned, @murena sells fairphones without #google.

@aral that's a shame, I'm thinking about buying one when my current phone breaks down some day. I really like their easy repair model and long support. tbh I already have google spyware on my current phone so there would be not much of a difference.
Realistically speaking there is basically no alternative, you either use google spyware or apple spyware, and that's sad.

@aral I suppose the OS and apps is not their hill. They are trying to tackle the manufacture and obsolescence part of it. It might be that right now they can make more of a difference by shipping the google OS. They are out to prove that you can build a user serviceable, fairly manufactured phone at scale. This gives people like the EU more strength to argue against the big two on hardware. There are other people trying to make a difference with the OS.

@aral Murena (@murena) are selling a de-googled fairphone 5 that ships at the end of September, so I would imagine they were working with Fairphone to get it ready in time:

https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5/

#FairPhone
#FairPhone5
#Murena

@aral Is there a full-fledged better option?

@aral no ethical consumption under capitalism

@aral No headphone jack either, apparently. 👀

@aral

Sorry Aral, .... But the general public expects an Android phone to act like an "Android phone".

There is a version with e/os being sold somewhere else. Because Fairphone did work with e/os for the fp4 at some point iirc. So there are options.

But the average consumer just wants regular Android