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Aral Balkan
And please do not enter my mentions with “but you can install a different operating system on it.” Statistically speaking, no one does that. No one buys a car and changes the engine except for car geeks. (Not to mention the legitimacy an organisation with the stated goals of Waag/FairPhone gives to surveillance capitalism by endorsing Google… I mean, that’s something special that money can’t buy.) 15 comments
Jean
@SigmaOne @aral It's on sale here with a google-free OS : feat @murena
Aral Balkan
@jeanjean @SigmaOne @murena I had my reservations about their App Store but it looks like they’ve made improvements (see https://nervuri.net/e/app-lounge) so, yeah, that’s a good alternative to have. And there’s no reason (beyond wanting more sales) that FairPhone cannot do that themselves instead of continuing to legitimise Google and surveillance capitalism. But I guess it’s better to have your cake and eat it too.
Jeffrey P Burdick
@SigmaOne @aral 
Mikael Gramont
@aral As a FP user, I feel like I'm also to blame for keeping the Google apps on there. I could install other stuff, but won't because it's too big of a hassle.
Mikael Gramont
@aral It probably sounds like I'm looking down on the open source alternatives, but you know, pouring lots of money into UX makes a huge difference whether I/we like it or not. Hell, Google Android UX sucks compared to Apple's versions.
Aral Balkan
@mikamtb It shouldn’t be about the business. They’re not Samsung. (And it’s not your fault. You’re lucky you have the technical knowhow to do that if you wanted to and even you don’t have the time to do so without devoting your self to it to keep the custom OS secure and updated and, and, and…) :)
Mikael Gramont
@aral I wish it wasn't about the business, but they have to sell phones or they won't exist much longer. 
utzer ~Friendica~ 🏳️🌈🇨🇭🇩🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺
@aral yes would be better without the Google Apps and then during the boot or so you can flash them if you want. But that would have to be really easy or they would have to replace with some replacements and run the services for their users. Sad that there is alternatives, but none are really easy like the stuff from the iUniverse (and not even close to G-Products). 
Robbie 🇧🇪 :tux:
@aral As far as I know there are no surveillance friendly operating systems that are also user friendly and come on self-repairable hardware. Fairphone can be bought with /e/ os installed so you don't need to be able to install a degoogled os yourself. They're probably the best option in the industry.
François Lemaire 🏴☠️
@aral You can buy the FP4 with a different operating system: https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-4-eu/ I know that Fairphone cooperates with /e/, while other manufacturers make it hard to build alternative ROMs on purpose. But I agree with you, they should sell it with /e/ themselves.
Jean
@sossalemaire @aral The FP5 is already available on murena : https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5-fr/ |
Gregory's Server
@aral the "install another OS" also has the issue of that OS needing to exist in the first place, and usually it doesn't for quite a while because turns out making Android ROMs isn't exactly that trivial
i think for that to hold any merit as a solution, at the very least the phone manufacturer should provide a base OS image without gapps on it
personally i think a reasonable middle ground would be the phone asking whether to install them in the initial setup process though