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#Google finally released more info about their new #GooglePlayPolicies:

Personal accounts must give Google legal name, legal address, email and phone number.

Google will publish legal name, country and email for developers.

Organization accounts must give the above info and a D-U-N-S number.

Google will publish legal name, address, email and phone number for organization accounts.

Google is effectively going to dox every single trans dev on #GooglePlay.

support.google.com/googleplay/

New developer verification requirements from August 31, 2023

To boost trust and transparency on Google Play, we're expanding developer verifications as part of our Play Console requirements policy.

To create a new Play Console developer account for an organization after August 31, 2023, you'll now need to include:
- A D-U-N-S number for your organization: Provided by Dun & Bradstreet, a D-U-N-S number is a unique nine-digit number that is used globally to identify businesses. Google will use your D-U-N-S number to verify your organization.
- A contact phone number and email address for Google Play users: These will be shown on Google Play so that users can contact you. You'll need to verify them by receiving a code.

To help you prepare for these changes, we recommend reviewing your Dun & Bradstreet account to make sure that it's up to date with the latest information about your organization.

Developers with existing Play Console accounts will also be required to provide this information soon. We'll give existing developers plenty of notice to verify their accounts, and we'll send an update about these requirements later this year.
Creating a developer account for personal use

When creating a personal account, you must provide the following information:
- Developer name; can be different from your legal name
- Legal name
- Legal address
- Contact email address
- Contact phone number
- Developer email address
- Developer website

Your developer name will appear on Google Play and can be changed any time.

Your legal name and address will be taken from the Google Payments profile that you linked to your developer account during account creation. You will need to verify these identity details before publishing on Google Play.

Google will display your legal name, your country (as per your legal address), and developer email address on Google Play. If you decide to monetize on Google Play then Google will display your full address.

Your contact email address, contact phone number, and developer email address must be verified using a one-time password and remain operational for the duration of your developer account.
Creating a developer account for an organization

When creating an organization account, you must provide the following information:

- Developer name; can be different from your legal name
- As per your linked Google Payments profile: D-U-N-S number, Organization name, Organization addres
 - Organization phone number
- Organization website
- Contact nam
- Contact email address
- Contact phone number
- Developer email addres
 - Developer phone number

Your developer name will appear on Google Play and can be changed any time.

Your organization name and address is taken from the Google Payments profile that you linked to your developer account during account creation. You will need to verify these identity details before publishing on Google Play.

To help improve transparency and user safety on Google Play, Google will display your legal name, legal address, developer email address, and developer phone number on Google Play.

Your contact email address, contact phone number, developer email address and developer phone number must be verified using a one-time password and remain operational for the duration of your developer account.
74 comments
Koz Ross

@SylvieLorxu What the actual fuck. Are they not satisfied with harvesting _almost_ all the data on everyone already?

Sylvia

@koz Nope, they're now also just going to give that data to bigots for free so they can harass you.

Lovely future this is.

Sylvia

@amberage They replaced it with "do the right thing" somewhere down the line, but never specified for who.

My guess is it is supposed to end with either "for shareholder profit" or "for bigots". They're definitely never doing the right thing for their users or developers.

etsy :kirby_walk: :kirby_fly:

@SylvieLorxu @amberage unfortunately, they are legally obligated to work in the favor of shareholder profits. the whole definition of a corporation. those shareholders just so happen to often also be bigots.

Yoni Den

@SylvieLorxu Time to start seeking alternative avenues for releasing.
Between this and their chrome web integrity nonsense, they are going to alienate every creative (and soon Google will be that service for square who like ads)

Shachihoko

@yoniden @SylvieLorxu

I know there's already a growing hue and cry about the WEI crap, and a not insignificant amount of pushback. (Though admittedly, I'm not sure how effective it is insofar as making Google actually back off, yet.)

Is it possible that there'll be a similar backlash that can get Google to back away from this ill-founded idea? Or is this locked in at the corporate level and they're ignoring the public?

AccordionBruce

@Shachihoko @yoniden @SylvieLorxu
Not to blow our horn too soon, but the folks at the Etsy strike, (you may recall from a while ago*) just had about 30 people help pull a bill through a committee in the US Congress

It hasn’t passed yet, but it may end up influencing e-commerce

And that was 30 people 🤯

So, organize and don’t shut up.

*We’re now the #IndieSellersGuild and you can find us here:
indiesellersguild.org

@Shachihoko @yoniden @SylvieLorxu
Not to blow our horn too soon, but the folks at the Etsy strike, (you may recall from a while ago*) just had about 30 people help pull a bill through a committee in the US Congress

It hasn’t passed yet, but it may end up influencing e-commerce

And that was 30 people 🤯

Indie Sellers Guild logo with a raised fist holding colorful pliers, a ruler and a paint brush
Sylvia

@AccordionBruce @Shachihoko @yoniden That's great! Do you have any more articles about that? Any way we can perhaps push this stuff? Although getting US congress to care about trans rights seems... not very possible right now. But we may still try and at least influence the EU?

Sylvia

@Shachihoko @yoniden WEI was already added to Chromium's codebase despite pushback. Google completely ignored everything there. But keeping the push up still sounds like a good idea, I can't imagine the EU liking Google adding any tech that can be used to block upcoming alternatives.

So far, Google has completely stonewalled me and while they say they "listen to feedback" they literally don't offer any contact method for it (and the policy team refuses to respond to this).

Omni Qi

@SylvieLorxu May I repost this on linkedin, linking back to the actual post?

Sylvia

@OmniQi Sure although feel free to skip attribution too (whatever you feel is best). I don't really care so much to be the one spreading this message, I just care about this message being spread and hopefully enough people forcing Google to take a few steps back from this awful policy.

FC (Fay) 🏳️‍🌈

@SylvieLorxu For developers that monetise their apps, they will publish their full address, not just legal name etc.

Sylvia

@dennisguse @obfusk For devs selling apps, yes (and that was already bs). They're now extending the info they're leaking for devs making free apps too.

Dylan Van Assche

@SylvieLorxu Luckily you publish your apps on @fdroidorg :) They are awesome! Is retracting from Google Play not an option to not feed them even further?

Sylvia

@dylanvanassche It would mean taking updates away from 70k users and make basic privacy harder to find for many so it sucks. Definitely going to need to consider it if Google keeps being this abusive...

Dylan Van Assche

@SylvieLorxu 70K users is a lot... I expected that a lot of people get their apps from there. In Belgium a law was passed that required influencers and such also to put their personal information on their profile. They feared for harrassement etc. In the end, they united and had some non-profit which played MITM to avoid disclosing their personal info. Not sure if that's an option.

AIDA RE-L 🏳️‍⚧️

@dylanvanassche @SylvieLorxu this is a great solution, but it'd be hard to connect all the impacted devs and build that trust this quick

Daniel Gultsch

@SylvieLorxu for now this seems to be limited to new accounts.

To me this is a class issue. Rich people will just rent an office somewhere and use that address instead of their home address.

barelysecure

@daniel @SylvieLorxu an office under 7 intl shell companies and 3 trusts.

Sylvia

@daniel As stated in the first screenshot: "Developers with existing Play Console accounts will also be required to provide this information soon."

It's definitely yet another thing that disproportionally affects those poorer and/or queer and that the rich can easily avoid accountability for, yeah. It shows the importance of us all standing together to protect ourselves, no matter which of us is being attacked specifically.

Stefan

@SylvieLorxu
These are bad News indeed, if you rely on Google or been dependent of it.

Didn't you heard the Phrase, that you shouldn't never complain about your Pimp treating you the Way they want it?

*Sarcasm!*

FranIAm

@SylvieLorxu this is for developers only, not just players

Sylvia

@Franterest26 True, but developers deserve privacy too, especially hobbyists or self-employed small devs.

AstraLuma :blobfoxcomputer:

@SylvieLorxu what was that about make an LLC, do all your business as them?

Sylvia

@obfusk @astraluma Also, this doesn't affect only paid devs. As shown in the screenshots, Google will also be forcing devs who make free apps to show their legal name. So it's not only about "doing business", it's also an attack on hobbyists.

remote procedure chris

@SylvieLorxu we absolutely need to start doing something about google

CynAq

@SylvieLorxu@chaos.social I understand requiring legal name and address for billing purposes but why display it publicly with no choice to opt out?

This sounds like it's done on purpose so any "undesirables" leave rather than be doxed.

A sonic screwdriver
@SylvieLorxu @Seirdy That, totally, sucks. Also there are like, mistakes in this post, google, do better and hire people who know how to spell address correctly. And yes, google totally sucks with this one. Poor devs, it's like going to give your details for a visa except who knows where they go. Disappointing. I thought they can screw up no more than they have. Turns out, they can.
Mark
@SylvieLorxu Hold on, that's legal name and address of the company. All you need to do is register it at your accountant's office address
SkellySoft

@SylvieLorxu whelp there goes my chance of EVER developing something for Android...

Sylvia

@SkellySoft Sideloading is still possible and @fdroidorg exists for FOSS apps. But if you want to make a living on Android apps, especially as someone who has a chance of getting attacked IRL, your only option seems to be to make enough money to hide your identity behind a LLC or something. It's truly disgusting, only the rich get to have any privacy and safety again, the rest of us have to tell bigots where we live.

Luna :verified_trans: :cat_is_blob_and_lesbian:

@SkellySoft@mastodon.gamedev.place @SylvieLorxu@chaos.social you don't have to publish on the play store, unlike ios android allows 3rd party app stores (for example f-droid), or you could just upload a plain APK somewhere (although I won't like you if you do that, as that's a pain to manage for users)

AIDA RE-L 🏳️‍⚧️

@SylvieLorxu you shouldn't have to, but if you create an LLC your legal name can be the company name and your address can be a PO box. Since it's coming from payment info, you need a business credit card or debit/checking as well.

This is a ton of trouble for no reason, but if you need to do it, it is possible without hiring an attorney or anything. Filing for LLC is pretty simple in most states including OK and WA and earnings typically can be reported on your income tax as normal, so it's not unbearable if you do monetize.

@SylvieLorxu you shouldn't have to, but if you create an LLC your legal name can be the company name and your address can be a PO box. Since it's coming from payment info, you need a business credit card or debit/checking as well.

This is a ton of trouble for no reason, but if you need to do it, it is possible without hiring an attorney or anything. Filing for LLC is pretty simple in most states including OK and WA and earnings typically can be reported on your income tax as normal, so it's not unbearable...

AIDA RE-L 🏳️‍⚧️

@SylvieLorxu if anyone needs help walking through it, I've done the LLC part in two states now to open other business accounts.

The down side is your LLC can still be looked up and you will be a registered agent. You can hire a registered agent or list an ally you trust too.

This is garbage to be clear.

FC (Fay) 🏳️‍🌈

@aidapsibr @SylvieLorxu sure, but not everyone can afford those workarounds. my only option is to just close my account and abandon my users.

AIDA RE-L 🏳️‍⚧️

@obfusk @SylvieLorxu I totally understand. The cost is lower than you may think, registered agent is ~40-60/yr, LLC formation is 200 once, PO box is 5/month which isn't insignificant, but far from only rich people have access that I hear often.

I'd put this in the crowd fundable category, id be happy to donate to a dev doing this to protect themselves.

I'm just saying the barrier is knowledge and time investment more than cash.

FC (Fay) 🏳️‍🌈

@aidapsibr @SylvieLorxu cost and difficulty is probably different in my country. and I'm severely ill, none of this is an option for me. but yeah, I hope some people can protect themselves through crowdfunding workarounds like this. though no one should have to.

AIDA RE-L 🏳️‍⚧️

@obfusk @SylvieLorxu others mentioned publishing to fdroid if that's a possibility, even if it's limited reach. I'm sorry about your circumstances and yeah unfortunately I only know us routes.

FC (Fay) 🏳️‍🌈

@aidapsibr thanks. and yeah, I hope more people realise how important alternatives like f-droid are.

my apps are already on f-droid (would be weird otherwise, being an f-droid dev x3), but it still sucks to abandon my users. at least my own apps are niche, so there aren't that many.

@SylvieLorxu having to abandon 70k catima users would be a lot worse (of course catima is also already on f-droid).

FC (Fay) 🏳️‍🌈

@aidapsibr @SylvieLorxu it's not that big an issue for me personally, fortunately. and it's good to think of workarounds like that. I just want to make sure the most marginalised people affected aren't forgotten when people come up with those.

IAG

@SylvieLorxu If you weren't already releasing your open source software on F-Droid, now is probably a good a time as any...

Sylvia

@iagondiscord I am, don't worry. But it'd still suck to have to leave the 70k Google Play users behind without updates because Google's absurd developer-unfriendly policies.

Kat/Кат :verified_real:

@beebles@social.beebl.es @SylvieLorxu@chaos.social how many cisgender people have been harassed, assaulted or murdered for being cis? That's what i thought wiseguy

Sylvia

@beebles As a queer person my own focus is on my own community (especially given the extreme surge in anti-trans laws and hate lately), but yes, there are many other valid reasons to not want to share your work under your legal name and to want to keep all location info private and this definitely also causes some danger to non-queer people.

groxx

@SylvieLorxu
> If you decide to monetize on Google Play then Google will display your full address.

Oof. That's a Big Deal.

I wonder how much of this is driven by KYC and related legislation... but I doubt the answer will be "all".

Hanna
@SylvieLorxu more of a reminder that things like FDroid exist.
delta :akko_bean: :verified_gay:

@SylvieLorxu@chaos.social wonder about the possibility of forming small non-profits to MitM gplay ownership for app developers who need the anonymity

lena

@SylvieLorxu wow fuck me then, ill not release anything on there

quite sad

Telokopolis Is Eternal

@SylvieLorxu geez, is this actually worse than Apple? Apple's is absurd but at least it doesn't publish your home address when you turn on monetization

lj·rk

@SylvieLorxu FFS, I really hope the @GrapheneOS app store becomes a more realistic alternative soon, F-Droid is unfortunately a bit of a mess. Such an evil policy.

iced quinn
@SylvieLorxu wonder who's making them do this :neofox_thonk: companies don't do this kind of thing unless someone makes them
Lemon Lolita 🇨🇦 🏳️‍🌈♀️🔞

@SylvieLorxu@chaos.social
This is for Personal Developer Accounts, as opposed to Corporate Developer Accounts. Not Personal User Accounts!

Legion495

@SylvieLorxu Classic Google move.
They are already doing weird shit at the moment...

Steffo 🐲

@SylvieLorxu oh god wtf o.O
I mean, I already have to dox myself because of my website ("Impressumspflicht"), but now this too?! God I hate google.

Trash Panda

@SylvieLorxu@chaos.social My apologies, maybe I don't understand... Wouldn't that be doxxing even cis devs?

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