Gregory's Server@cwebber the main reason why I haven't started using rust (besides their extremely irritating community who I hate so much that I might develop pyrokinesis) is that I can't just rewrite a few critical systems in it and then statically link it with the rest of my big C++ program, and it's uncertain whether I'd be able to port it to anything besides all of the flavors of PC and presumably mobile, because game console APIs are all C++
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aeva
@fl0_id @cwebber I can unfortunately count on one hand the number of people I've had deep thoughtful conversations about the language, and those conversations all have to happen in private because of the scores and scores and scores of assholes who have to butt in on every little detail to evangelize. Don't tell try to minimize the problem, you wont endear me to your point of view by telling me everything I've seen with my own eyes somehow isn't real.
aeva
@fl0_id @cwebber but you are probably correct on your second point, which is that all of those people are going to move on to the next Next Big Thing once rust loses its luster. Right now rust's community feels a lot like how things were with Haskell about 8 or so years ago. Lots of master debaters proselyting. It almost feels like they all jumped for rust at some point. Maybe that's what happened to go, too.
aeva
@fl0_id @cwebber digression aside, this a "a few bad apples spoils the bunch" type of situation, because everyone who puts up with it eventually internalizes it and starts doing it. You see friends get hooked by it and start posting self righteous opinions. I've been harassed by people I thought were friends just by thinking aloud about evolving my own C++ application design philosophy to be more resilient to memory safety bugs. 
aeva
@cwebber I'm also somewhat curious to have another go at learning more about Haskell now, since the main dialect can compile to ANSI C so in theory I could incrementally introduce it into Tangerine without dynamic linking hax, and it seems like all of the creeps in their community seem to have abandoned it for rust, but I don't know enough yet to make an informed decision one way or another 
Mike Kasprzak 🦖
@aeva @cwebber FWIW yes Rust can interface with C libraries. It wouldn't be very useful if it couldn't 😉. There is a working group focused on the needs of game developers, but thanks to NDAs, how well supported each device is is extremely ambiguous. Behind the scenes Rust uses LLVM, so if a console doesn't support LLVM (Xbox?) it's probably a bigger headache. By now I would imagine somebody has shipped a Rust game on all 3. 🤷♂️
aeva
@mike @cwebber until that I know someone has actually successfully ported a rust title to all the major game consoles, I must assume that it's a significant amount of work to do so. Yes, it should be possible, but the real concern is not whether it's technically possible but how much work it would be to do it. My time is very finite. |
@cwebber someone pointed out to me recently that a big reason as to why rust evangelists are all super irritating is because a significant number of them are also cryptocurrency grifters and it's poisoned their community norms and now I can't unsee it