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James Chip

I mean, imagine thinking people having more time for self care, or just to live a little bit, is a bad thing.

She is going to haunt me for a long time.

Imagine being against people eating breakfast.

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Paul

@jameschip
It's the same thing with the self-described "Tax Payers Alliance" campaigning against councils running (successful!) trials of a four day work week. It's not enough for these people that we work, it's important to them that we should also be miserable while doing so.

Nick Stefanski

@threedaymonk @jameschip David Graeber’s essay on “Bullshit Jobs” was very enlightening on this kind of thing

imdat celeste of Tau Ceti :v_nb: :v_tg: [NaG • NaB]

@threedaymonk It is very easy: if you work, you are busy. If you work and are miserable, you are busy and tired. This way you can't start thinking and realizing that the system is broken.

You know, people could get ideas ... let's not give them time to start thinking...

@jameschip

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@imdat @threedaymonk @jameschip
Exactly this. People who think are dangerous.

Will Jessop

@jameschip it’s not like companies are paying for the 90 minutes. If companies had to pay for commuting time I reckon they’d start to see that time as a whole lot more valuable.

muıııo

@jameschip I think this comes from early Protestantism, together with the notion of laziness (I should read up on this), and overall our infatuation with "productivity" and "efficiency" is very non-human, and also entirely capitalist.

Steven D. Brewer 🏳️‍⚧️

@muiiio @jameschip

This reminds me of my father-in-law railing against "unproductive members of society" and so I asked him about the idle rich: Why shouldn't trust-fund babies be compelled to work also? Then, all of a sudden, his tune changed completely. It's almost like it was never about "productivity" in the first place…

Chris Adams

@muiiio @jameschip this feels right to me, with a possible factor that they self-identify with the rich enough that they’re saying that because they don’t want to say “you’re probably slacking off at home” outright.

There’s a deep strain of hustle culture which desperately wants to believe everyone would be wealthy if they just worked a little more or spent less. I’ve even seen people say that to low-wage hourly workers who had no plausible way to get ahead without changing the system.

Chris

@acdha @muiiio @jameschip Related: my mind still keeps coming back to a Washington Post article from a year or so ago where they interviewed a DoD manager about telework. They had been deadset against it pre-pandemic, but acknowledged that everyone being fully remote didn't hurt their mission. Their conclusion about the "future of work": well, maybe going forward one day a week of telework wouldn't be so bad. WTF?

Tröglödÿt

@muiiio @jameschip

it's not so much an infatuation as an indoctrination into the idea that suffering will be rewarded. not now, but later, when justice will be served to all of humanity, then you'll be rewarded for your suffering and get to watch your masters suffer instead

and it's not just protestant christianity that has this ethic, it's all of it, it's just that protestants hate the jews a bit more and really want to clean out every piece of ritual and mystery

Badri
@muiiio @jameschip I was going to add that allowing time for self care also makes people more productive in the long run—but that's besides the point
James Chip

People following me because of this toot expecting cutting social commentary are going to be dissapointed to find I mostly toot about gardening and moss.

skua

@jameschip

Oooo, gardening and moss, that's what I'm here for, all the way down.

I'm waiting for my Seville oranges to ripen.
The 10kg of sugar, three large pots, three 7mm thick steel heat diffusers, a sugar thermometer and a manual rotary citrus juicer are waiting. But it might be a month yet.

ethan

@jameschip I think I need more gardening and moss in my life and timeline.

miss sakamoto :vepi:

@jameschip "Come for the social commentary, stay for the moss."

anova (she/they/it)
@jameschip Your gardening and moss content is a much appreciated part of my fedi diet
Ellie Warren

@jameschip It's a well known fact that people who support WFH also like moss 😁

Tom Pearce

@jameschip - gardening and moss sit well with me. There are Japanese gardens that consist of little more...

Someone tell me to get up

@jameschip I wasn't going to follow you because of that toot, but now you've convinced me

Joris

@jameschip came for the social commentary, stayed for the moss. Story of my life.

Laurens 🧢

@jameschip Did you know that working from home results in people having 1½ hours of free time to spend on gardening?!

13 barn owls in a trench coat

@jameschip what if I followed for moss and am thoroughly enjoying the social commentary?

James Chip

@HauntedOwlbear then you are going to have a very good time.

Virginicus

@jameschip i see — you oppose maximizing productivity because rolling stones don’t gather any moss.

marceles 🌴🌴

@jameschip you didnt had me at cutting social commentary, but you did had me at gardening and moss

Rob Bos

@jameschip How dare you be so unproductive. Get your hustle on, we got a system to destroy. /s

Phil Barker

@jameschip that and Norfolk and tech looks good to me

Paul

@jameschip That is one of the most bizarre arguments I've seen in a long time.

Estel

@jameschip
"What about elevensies? Luncheon? Dinner? Supper? She knows about them right?"

"I highly doubt it."

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