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muıııo

@jameschip I think this comes from early Protestantism, together with the notion of laziness (I should read up on this), and overall our infatuation with "productivity" and "efficiency" is very non-human, and also entirely capitalist.

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Steven D. Brewer 🏳️‍⚧️

@muiiio @jameschip

This reminds me of my father-in-law railing against "unproductive members of society" and so I asked him about the idle rich: Why shouldn't trust-fund babies be compelled to work also? Then, all of a sudden, his tune changed completely. It's almost like it was never about "productivity" in the first place…

Chris Adams

@muiiio @jameschip this feels right to me, with a possible factor that they self-identify with the rich enough that they’re saying that because they don’t want to say “you’re probably slacking off at home” outright.

There’s a deep strain of hustle culture which desperately wants to believe everyone would be wealthy if they just worked a little more or spent less. I’ve even seen people say that to low-wage hourly workers who had no plausible way to get ahead without changing the system.

Chris

@acdha @muiiio @jameschip Related: my mind still keeps coming back to a Washington Post article from a year or so ago where they interviewed a DoD manager about telework. They had been deadset against it pre-pandemic, but acknowledged that everyone being fully remote didn't hurt their mission. Their conclusion about the "future of work": well, maybe going forward one day a week of telework wouldn't be so bad. WTF?

Tröglödÿt

@muiiio @jameschip

it's not so much an infatuation as an indoctrination into the idea that suffering will be rewarded. not now, but later, when justice will be served to all of humanity, then you'll be rewarded for your suffering and get to watch your masters suffer instead

and it's not just protestant christianity that has this ethic, it's all of it, it's just that protestants hate the jews a bit more and really want to clean out every piece of ritual and mystery

Badri
@muiiio @jameschip I was going to add that allowing time for self care also makes people more productive in the long run—but that's besides the point
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