Gregory's Server@davidrevoy I really wonder how we, as human beings, will handle this AI augmented future. I expect it will often make us think about how we evaluate certain things. For example: Do we like a painting because its pretty? because it tells a story? because it inspires our imagination? or maybe because of its history? how it was created or by whom? Humans have always built tools to extend their abilities and to overcome their limitations but how long will it take to get used to these new tools?
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 @davidrevoy @sepia everyone's data eventually will get scraped so I'm not worried about that. I don't even bother to check if mines were being scrapped. Just do the thing you do, ai doesnt have the personality and the life experiences to make the same thing you make @chengdulittlea @davidrevoy @sepia agreed on both points, even as someone that is messing with ai art. But I would still want to see a model that's just public domain stuff and the rest being opt-in.  @tannerspaw Same, I wish a model existed trained exclusively on CC-0 and Public Domain resources.
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@davidrevoy @chengdulittlea @sepia also it claims they didn't scrape anything at all, common crawl is an old project that created dumps of the ~entire internet, they seem to have simply formated whatever can be formatted there into a txt-img paralel corpus. @davidrevoy @chengdulittlea @sepia oh actually the large one does have a detector for watermarked images, and for I believe porn, so that any downstream user could avoid training on such images. Ha, right. Please ignore my previous reply, I read this one of your a bit later after sending it. Yes, a Mature+Watermark filtering.  @davidrevoy @chengdulittlea @sepia So according stable diffusion AIs trained on web-scraped images, ALL doctors are white men wearing blue shirts with neckties, lab coats, and stethoscopes. AI can solve problems ONLY IF you have good data to train it, and acquiring is very costly. My professional experience working with AI is that there is hardly ever good data. But companies cut costs, use bad data (garbage in, garbage out) and systemic biases can end up being reinforced.  @davidrevoy @sepia "Register an account to opt-out your images from Stable Diffusion V3" This is the most fucking upside-down logic I've ever seen, and definitely 100% illegal basically anywhere on the planet. However this is the internet - it will be used anyway, and with the modern economy also using data in immoral amounts things won't change in the near future. 😔 @Natanox @davidrevoy @sepia I’m reminded of how Internet Archive operates on an Opt-Out model. Do y’all have a problem with Internet Archive? After all, it scrapes stuff too. @Liberonscien @davidrevoy @sepia Valid argument. However the Internet Archive does not process or manipulate them in any capacity other than to make sure they stay accessible. Neither do they profit from them nor replicate anything to profit from. From a legal standpoint it might be comparable. Not from a moral one though. Yes, very interesting point about Internet Archive, and fair reply from Natasha about the purpose, finality and moral.  @davidrevoy @sepia @lonelyowl First, you haven't made any commercial benefit out of it, nor have you pretended to replace the job of the said "dude". 🤣 And also, please don't compare your own process of learning and practicing with your affection for a style or an artist at a cultural time to a software feed with a long list of URL and description batch downloaded and curated by a team of worker (eg. no Mature, no Watermark, and more other choices). It's not intelligent, it's a tool. Hi, David. You can no opt-out your images in https://haveibeentrained.com/. This will prevent, at least, Stable Diffusion 3 to be trained with your works. Cheers. :) @sepia @davidrevoy it's a good reminder and the answers will be very different for each piece if i want a random carpet texture for my fast-paced tactical fps i'm fine with anything that looks vaguely carpety ingame and i can just take 20 shots of the floor at my day job, feed it through the ai and tell it to make it tile properly but if this is a narrative game and i want what's on that floor to symbolize something, or resemble something bc it's a reference to some other thing... |
@sepia These questions are in loop in the history of modern art and contemporary art, and it is a fascinating philosophical adventure to read about it and forge a philosophy. More than 100 years of artists tried to answer that.
About getting used to AI, I embraced it in September ( read https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/108969346357981937 ) but that was before all artists − thanks to website like https://haveibeentrained.com/ − saw their artworks being used without their consent.
*That* changed everything.
@sepia These questions are in loop in the history of modern art and contemporary art, and it is a fascinating philosophical adventure to read about it and forge a philosophy. More than 100 years of artists tried to answer that.
About getting used to AI, I embraced it in September ( read https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/108969346357981937 ) but that was before all artists − thanks to website like https://haveibeentrained.com/ − saw their artworks being used without their consent.