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@davidrevoy @sepia
I used to draw with stroke-based rendering that i saw from some dude somewhat like 5 or 6 years ago (even can't remember his nickname now), and i never asked his consent. Should i now kill myself for the sake of justice?

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David Revoy

@lonelyowl First, you haven't made any commercial benefit out of it, nor have you pretended to replace the job of the said "dude". 🤣

And also, please don't compare your own process of learning and practicing with your affection for a style or an artist at a cultural time to a software feed with a long list of URL and description batch downloaded and curated by a team of worker (eg. no Mature, no Watermark, and more other choices). It's not intelligent, it's a tool.

@sepia

Owl!🦉

@davidrevoy @sepia
> you haven't made any commercial benefit out of it

Well, in general, I tried to draw for money, but the process of creating a single simple picture was incredibly long, one time i spent four days without sleep and get 15 bux for it. I assume that even african kids in cobalt mines get paid more. Now i draw only for the lulz and because of boredom.

However, other people were much more lucky in this regard. We have enough of clones of popular artists like kuvshin, sakimichan and others who make a lot of money by patreon and comissions, and no one soul saw a problem within it.

> And also, please don't compare your own process of learning

I'm lack of technical knowledge to have a strong opinion about it, but i have an observation how a system that never saw drawings with Taylor Swift successfully adopted real life Taylor's appearance to generic art rendering style.
(I merged checkpoints of novelai and Taylor model from someone from reddit)

Claiming that this relatively primitive system can reason would be too naive, but it seems to be capable of more than just brainless copying.

Anyway, complaining that other people's pictures were used in training without consent looks like absolutely fantastic greed, comparable to that demonstrated by Disney and other media corporations, because even DMCA leaves ways to use other people's work to create derivative works, as long as they are not completely brainless plagiarism and/or publishing without changes. If you ignore this fact, then it turns out that that dude has the right to burn part of my brain so that I forget about his drawings.

The only thing that is really sad about this whole story is that it looks like another profession will die as a result of automation, and there is still nothing like UBI anywhere in the world. In this regard, I am extremely interested to know what is the point of educating economists if we going ignore them anyway.

@davidrevoy @sepia
> you haven't made any commercial benefit out of it

Well, in general, I tried to draw for money, but the process of creating a single simple picture was incredibly long, one time i spent four days without sleep and get 15 bux for it. I assume that even african kids in cobalt mines get paid more. Now i draw only for the lulz and because of boredom.

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