 Trump's new order says everyone's gender is now based on the sexual reproductive cells you could produce at conception. At conception, the zygote cannot make *any* reproductive cells, so technically no one has any gender at all anymore. You're welcome. 56 comments
@ErisCaffee @ErisCaffee It does not say that. The exact phrasing is: (d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. (e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell. @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee I wonder where people who have both XX and XY cells at birth fit in all this? @AlexanderVI @Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee It's almost like biology is more complicated than that. @AlexanderVI @Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee Who would have thought? It's not like biologists and endocrinologists have been spreading rumours for years or anything. So who's going to start registering every baby on the maternity ward female? Seems that might bring matters to a head. @AlexanderVI That seems to be the legally necessary thing to do. I'm not sure the "do not obey in advance" instruction applies in this case. @Jirikiha @ErisCaffee If you mean people with DSDs, then they are all either male or female too. Glad I could help you with that. True, but a good joke had to be made or else I'd be sitting here stewing impotently in rage. This is something that directly affects me, after all. I know that I need to fight against this, but for my own sanity I also need to keep myself from becoming morosely negative and I also think it's important to mock Trump and his cronies for this and everything else. They absolutely can't stand being mocked. Witness how they reacted to being called "weird" during the election. @ErisCaffee You must do you, but I don't think making claims that are trivially demonstrable as being untrue will help you, or anyone else. Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, making claims that are trivially demonstrable as being untrue is exactly how Trump has won election to the Presidency twice. @ErisCaffee Yep. Just how bad a job did the democrats do to have been crushingly defeated by _that_, right? @ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @NoahLoren13 at least people using of "science" and "biology" for justify transphobia and LGBTphobia opens space for people to use of social sciences and liberal theory for justify civil disobedience and civil resistance lmao Yeah, Democrats are 99% Neoliberal Fascist, indeed. At this point I hope Trump will turn the USA into the "Western World Russian Federation" lmao @ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @NoahLoren13 Yeah, I mean, people will say that high school biology justifies transphobia and LGBTphobia yet they won't accept that by this logic high school sociology and high school liberal theory justifies civil disobedience and civil resistance lmao @ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @NoahLoren13 I mean, yeah, there are lots of Trans scientists and LGBT scientists who have already pointed it out, but sadly there are people who can't even make a Google Scholar search regarding such matters. Except when it's for attack socialism/communism/leftism/progressivism/Anarchism because they'll be able to go even to the deepweb/darknet for get resources/sources for "discredit" the left lmao @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee Person at … conception? At conception to the sex…. At conception the effects of the sRY gene and messenger protein are nil. The epigenetic switches haven’t been flipped. As “at conception” that fertilized egg is going to grow someone of female phenotype, with ovaries or ovotestes. Actual real world biology is more complex than what is taught to 12 year olds. @michellepaquette @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee @NoahLoren13 I mean, yeah, there are people who enjoy to use science for justify their prejudices and bigotry, like people who enjoy using of Austrian Economics, Pro-Western Economics, and Anti-Communist Propaganda for justify Western World Supremacy etc. Like people who will say "all ethnicities are equal" at the same time they're all for Western World Cultural Supremacy and Cultural Pinochetism lmao @michellepaquette @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee @NoahLoren13 @tokensane @yogthos @nyx can't we just agree the Western World is basically the Fourth Reich at this point plz? @michellepaquette @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee @NoahLoren13 @tokensane @yogthos @nyx this is basically the proof the Western World is just a Neoliberal Capitalist version of the White Aryan Reich ngl...  @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee How does anyone "belong" to a sex at conception? The only interpretation I can give to this is chromosome gender. But then what about people with a faulty SRY gene who are XY but are born female? The "only 2 sexes" idea just sets up two procrustean beds: you have to fit in one or the other, and anything that doesn't fit gets cut off. @tokensane @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee @NoahLoren13 I mean, yeah, there are lots of Trans scientists and LGBT scientists who have already pointed it out, but sadly there are people who can't even make a Google Scholar search regarding such matters. Except when it's for attack socialism/communism/leftism/progressivism/Anarchism because they'll be able to go even to the deepweb/darknet for get resources/sources for "discredit" the left lmao  @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee large reproductive cell? WTF does that mean? The guy truly is a moron! @allynkhine @ErisCaffee that’ll be a human egg, which is about 10,000 times larger than its male counterpart, the sperm cell. Hence “large”. @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee I don't think this definition works, and actually I'm not aware of definition that would be binary. What does "belong to the sex" mean? There are human chimeras, for example...
@mart_brooks If you don't produce either reproductive cell (and people don't until puberty), then you don't get a gender until then? I've had a vasectomy - do I no longer qualify as male? @ErisCaffee literally it says : (d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. (e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell. So that makes all mammals female.  @ErisCaffee the ambiguous terms is what you get when everyone around you tries to be a lawyer and a doctor. @ErisCaffee For nerds looking for the specific language, here it is in Section 2: (e) ‘Male’ means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.”  @ErisCaffee I am guessing they could not get anyone competent in biology to check their wording.  @ErisCaffee Like anything, they'll come up with whatever pseudoscience gobbledygook they want to, and the courts will go along with it regardless of the actual scientific definitions.  @ErisCaffee I'm actually staring hard at section 8.1. Coupled to the recent Chevron Deference overturning decision, it appears to be the case that regardless of what the President says, if an individual head of an executive department or agency thinks Congress meant something other than what the President has laid out here, they are obligated to follow their understanding of that law. @ErisCaffee all I know is, from now on all bathrooms are hereby unisex . . . when accosted, "Well, technically, I think I HAVE to use this bathroom because of some birth cells or something - oh, I'm so confused!"   @ErisCaffee omg the government finally validating my non binary gender?? let’s goooo  @ErisCaffee I mean, it's not like waiting until puberty was that important to them before.  The female sexual structures are present in the blastocyst male structures are later. Trump's "decree" makes himself and all Americans female. Because they are fools. Fools. @ErisCaffee |
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@ErisCaffee this would solve so many problems. No more legal gender. Do wtf you want.