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Jon Gilbert

Hey artists, my partner is on mastodon.art and can't see, like, 50% of the federation because her instance has blocked so many other instances.

Is there another, better, art-focused instance that she can move to? It's frustrating to both of us but obviously mostly her.

UPDATE: she moved over to @hnrfineart! Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions! Reward yourselves with a little bit of ice cream or some sherbet today! 🙏 😀

70 comments
Phil M0OFX

@jgilbert What sort of art does your partner create?

Jon Gilbert

@philpem It's fine art, mixed media with acrylics and fabrics, and it's a delight to experience. Looks something like this:

Temporale

30" x 40" acrylic on fabric-covered panel

2022

© Heather Robinson
Threaded

24" x 36" acrylic on fabric-covered panel

2022

© Heather Robinson
Phil M0OFX

@jgilbert Wow, I absolutely love it. Please let me know when your partner finds somewhere, because I'd love to see that kind of thing on my timeline.

Jon Gilbert

@philpem well, if you're able to see her at @hnrfineart today, then you can follow, and (presumably) when she migrates that following should migrate along.

Merly Black's illuminiatures

@jgilbert I also love it and would be thrilled to follow your partner in their new Fedi home!

Juleselt

@jgilbert @philpem sorry i don't know of any instances...

But that painting on the left just speaks to me. It feels like an organized chaos, like I see in ecosystems. I usually am not a fan of more abstract art, but really love that one.

Jon Gilbert

@julescelt01 I am glad you like it, but you cannot have that one, because I already bought it and it is in my living room. Sorry? 🙃

It's part of a larger series of similar pieces, and there's still some available at heatherrobinson.com/recent-work

LeoBurr :leoburr:

@jgilbert I've got pixel.tiggi.es, which is a Pixelfed instance, geared towards artists who also want to have curated galleries of their art. It's fully compatible with Mastodon and the rest of the fediverse.

LeoBurr :leoburr:

@jgilbert It's an all Enterprise NVMe instance on a 5Gbit connection. They're welcome to try it out if they like. If it's not for them, no harm, no foul.

Tiggy

@LeoBurr @jgilbert

But isn't something going on with pixelfed? My admin isn't happy with it.

LeoBurr :leoburr:

@tiggy @jgilbert I've got no major issues with the software. The developer is stirring up a bit of drama.

Emily Velasco

@jgilbert it sucks that that server is run so drama-ly. I want to see the art, but i muted its curator account because so many of the posts are drama

Jon Gilbert

@MLE_online right, this is all part of the dilemma and makes exposure and discovery difficult. 🤷‍♀️ Moving to an alternate art-focused instance, even though it'll be painful for her, is the right thing to do here we believe. Any suggestions are welcome :D

Emily Velasco

@jgilbert i wish i had some suggestions! All i can do is boost and comment and hope other people will see and have ideas

חנוכה שאָקירײן :she_her::neocat_floof_cute:

@jgilbert I've heard good things about mastoart.social, although they seem to have registrations temporarily closed at the moment. I guess if it's not too urgent it may be worth waiting for them to open?

EmpyClaw

@jgilbert Boosting and keeping an eye on this. My partner has the exact same issue.

AverageDood :averageverse: :perapistola:

@jgilbert we're not really art focused and more generalist, but if she wants, she can check out over here and see if it lines up. Rules almost reduce themselves to "don't be an asshole, don't do illegal, use English and Spanish", so that's an option if she wants.

A fair warning would be, we run Iceshrimp instead of Mastodon, and while it's more feature complete (and supports masto apps), it doesn't have a language tag and will default to English

Jon Gilbert

@f4grx ...out of curiosity, why? I mean, apart from that it's not art-focused, what's your reason?

But more to the point of our ask, do you have a not-anti-suggestion that you think _would_ work for her needs?

F4GRX Sébastien

@jgilbert there are too many people on it. It's twitter bis, and basically means no efforts are made to build a truly federated and resilient network. Also, moderation is lacking, so it's the home of many spammers.

Allen

@f4grx @jgilbert And a lot of users/instances block Mastodon.social, so if the idea of leaving Mastodon.art is more visibility, dot social will not be much of an improvement in that area.

Jon Gilbert

@allenstenhaus @f4grx you both are making good points.

Do you have an instance suggestion?

Allen

@jgilbert @f4grx I wish I did. Unfortunately, this is one of those "I know what not to do, but not what to do" situations.

I hope you get some more suggestions soon.

F4GRX Sébastien

@jgilbert for your question, depends on what they're here for. If the goal is subscriber numbers and statistics, mastoson.social will do, but instagram or bluesky are more adapted.

If you're here for genuine noncommercial contacts with lovely people, any instance will do even the generic ones, as soon as it's normally federated.

Mastodon.art is quite strict regarding moderation and general instance quality, but most others are not that rigorous.

🇩🇪 くら Woomy :disconnecting:

@jgilbert@mastodon.social I vaguely remember someone advertising one. But I forgot, sadly.
Alternatives include creating your own instance or going to a general purpose instance.

Anyway, whatever you choose, I wish you good luck!

Amber

@jgilbert@mastodon.social the only thing i can think of right now is https://mastoart.social/about but I've never used their instance and I do not know much about their administration team. If you could specify what type of art (I know some instances that accept furry artists and that you'll get a lot of exposure there) I may be able to narrow it down or someone around me may have ideas. I'll boost the post anyway so you can get more visibility.

Julian :heart_trans: :zoroark:

@jgilbert meow.social has a lot of artists if she's ok eith furries

marionline

@kkarhan @jgilbert
Do I understand that correctly that mastodon.art is on a block list of mastodon?
🤔 That's ... rather unexpected.

GrayGooGirl :v_lesbian: :1up:

@marionline
The admin over there like lobbing accusations at other instances and then blocking them when they don't immediately acquiesce to .art's demands. It's self-imposed based on the admins personal drama and deep distrust of other admins.
@kkarhan @jgilbert

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@GrayGooGirl @marionline @jgilbert yeah + the while #TheBadSpace shitshow.

- Many people, including myself, exposed #Ro et. al. as transmisogynistc asshole with a messiah complex and he retaliated by flexing his followers and just making up bs. (Basically pulling #KEEMSTAR-level #StochasticTerrorism)...

#WelshPixie is known for being narccistic in her bs demands and most instances decided they don't need her bossing them around as if she owned their servers or had any power.

Psoul 🏳️‍🌈:vbike:🇺🇸

@jgilbert I’m having fun on Pixelfed.social. I don’t think they have defederation issues and I can see a lot of art with the right hashtag filters.

Hein 🍋 Ragas

@jgilbert Yes, .art is very opinionated and liberal in blocking -- but that's always in response to an incident. Moving to an instance with a more lax blocking policy will (potentially) expose her to more of the badness that is on the fediverse

Sarah Conner

@jgilbert I’ve been on pixelfed.art for about 6 months and have no complaints so far!

James Zimmerman

@jgilbert
Two suggestions:
1. get on a general server and find the artist community using hashtag searches
2. go to fedi.tips/ to seek suggestions on how to find a server

fedi.garden/
joinmastodon.org/servers

mirabilos

@jgilbert sorry, can’t help with the question either (though I’d personally prefer smaller instances over larger, and nōn-Mastodon over Mastodon monoculture), but .art has also blocked mine, so I totally feel that, and kudos to you that you’re doing the moving.

Evan Prodromou

@jgilbert this may not be a popular response but your best option is to use a hosted service like masto.host/ . It costs money, but you have better control over your presence. Another option is using a free account from WordPress.com/ and turning on the ActivityPub plugin.

Eli the Bearded

@evan @jgilbert

Self-hosting via masto.host will definitely remove all the "can't be seen because of fediblocks" problem but will introduce so many "___ because of poor federation" problems. I migrated to self hosted from a server I was hearing other people talk about fediblocking and I probably would have been better at sfba.social if I had know about it. Better connections to things in my life.

Jon: that's where I would suggest Heather go. Your post is top of the trending on that site now.

Jon Gilbert

@elithebearded yeah, you know I *like* the idea of sfba.social (hi y'all! 👋), but their /about page doesn't list the other servers they've moderated out, so it's kind of hard to tell who they're ignoring in advance of joining. 🤷‍♀️ They're on the list, but probably not a lock because of that lack of transparency.

Eugenia L

@jgilbert i just use pixelfed.social for my art now, it's much more suited for that tan mastodon -- and it federates anyway. I was on mastodon.art too, but indeed they've banned half the internet, i don't know what they're thinking.

Tea Addicted Witch

@jgilbert In same boat for my author account, so happily following this thread

Airikr :sweden: :endeavourOS:

@jgilbert There's currently 6 instances that are hacing the art theme. Filter the instances after Art on joinmastodon.org/servers and you'll see them.

Jon Gilbert

@edgren cool, thanks! Which have you used that you'd recommend?

Airikr :sweden: :endeavourOS:

@jgilbert I am more into tech than art (even if I want to like doing art myself) so I haven't used any of them 😊 But the instance with most users? If it's mastodon.art, then use the one with second most users.

"°•..× Alma ×..•°"

@jgilbert hi, ummm I literally joined .social to avoid all that blocking and be better federated. There are pros and cons Ig but so far so good

Hot Dog Water

@jgilbert

I had no idea there was a mastodon.art. Seems like maybe an issue for artists and those seeking to find them. lol

Orb 2069

@jgilbert
Wanted to make you aware of publicly available blocklists like gardenfence.github.io when she's plotting her next jump.

adamcrussell

@jgilbert how about mastodon.sdf.org? it's a nice mix of art and technology.

Davey

@jgilbert honestly I wouldn't expect to see a huge difference from leaving .art to another art-specialised server, as they will have less federation due to being younger, smaller etc.

If you want to be exposed to more stuff you could join a big, general server.

Julie

@jgilbert sunny.garden is pretty good and I have yet to find an account that I can see from mastodon.social and not from sunny.garden.

Alexander Bochmann

@jgilbert Even though it probably doesn't match their main topic, seeing the works made me think of vis.social/about ?

Not sure about their blocklist policy, but it certainly isn't as broad as .art

Teffer

@jgilbert i’m on mastodon.art and noticed i haven’t been seeing much lately! Interested in any replies…

Charlie O’Hara

@jgilbert does she *need* to be on an arty instance? Does she follow the local stream rather than the people she has click-followed?

Jon Gilbert

@awfulwoman I don't know! Maybe? It's really up to her; she chose art-specific instances because that's what she does, like when cryptographers join infosec.social or people in the Bay Area are on sfba.social, that's what she picked. I think (and I'm really not wanting to put words in her mouth here) being around other artists makes sense, as opposed to on a general-purpose instance. 🤷‍♀️

Tom

@jgilbert @Kitty Runs mastoart.social, who was very supportive of my drawings for September and October challenges!

thedæmon
They could pick a non art based instance where the vibe checks out. bsd.network is mostly tech but have some great mods. The instance matters more for the moderation and how fast you start out in my opinion.
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