Gregory's Server@mrpieceofwork @Radical_EgoCom plesse explain your reply, i habe no idea what you are taliking about.
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@mrpieceofwork @Radical_EgoCom well, i asked, and i still haven't been given an answer. So please give one real life example of a better working system. @FisherPeter @Radical_EgoCom socialism. it's worked in the former USSR, works in China, DPRK, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos... "better working" doesn't mean they become like the capitalist hellholes, better working in that all succeeded to alleviate poverty. The USSR "failed" and China re-introduced capitalism just goes to show how insidious capitalism is. Those Peoples surviving/thriving, a limited time in the case of the USSR, was/is in SPITE of the insidious nature of capitalism... ie "better working" @Radical_EgoCom In a mild defense of @FisherPeter , It should be said that believing βcapitalism should be abolishedβ implies belief or promotion of a better, workable alternativeβwith workable being the operative word. While one commenter made some nice statements about socialist ideals, attempts to achieve these have come with their own destructions and injustices historically, which is a fair point to make. Yes. I explained to them that socialism is a viable alternative to capitalism here: https://mastodon.social/@Radical_EgoCom/113579381152010306  @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter The USSR was communist in the same way Robespierre's France was democratic. @burnoutqueen @IndyHermit @FisherPeter The USSR wasn't communist. It was a socialist country that was aspiring towards communism. @burnoutqueen @IndyHermit @FisherPeter I understand the USSR the way it was, and it was socialist. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange either directly or through the state, and the USSR had collective ownership of those things through the state, making them socialist. There are many different versions of socialism. Just because the USSR didn't adhere to your specific preferred version of socialism doesn't make it not socialist. @Radical_EgoCom @IndyHermit @FisherPeter Is America even a little socialist for owning the public libraries and parks? @burnoutqueen @IndyHermit @FisherPeter Parks and libraries aren't means of production, so no. @burnoutqueen @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter Robespierre was way more democratic than Staline USSR, there is no point about this @Citoyen_DC @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter Yeah, the Stalin period is a whole can of worms on its own. @burnoutqueen @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter Robespierre had been killed because he pushed for more democratic system, end of the monarchy and more equal society. "La terreur" was a special moment of counter-revolutionnary riots, not representative of his fights @Citoyen_DC @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter Exactly the same argument is made to defend Lenin and Stalin. @Citoyen_DC @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter Lenin directly modeled his actions on Robespierre, and there was even a statue of Robespierre built in the early USSR. @burnoutqueen @IndyHermit @Radical_EgoCom @FisherPeter Lenine's politic wasn't the same as Staline's... Moreover, displaying a root doesn't mean copying it |
@FisherPeter @Radical_EgoCom
The OG post says 'state your case if you DO NOT think capitalism should be abolished, not state what the alternatives are, yet you come in asking just that, with this statement:
"I haven't ever heard of a system that isn't worse than capitalism."
Insinuating that all alternatives to capitalism are also "worse". Maybe you worded that wrong. There ARE systems that are better than capitalism, and to not have ever heard of them means you're not trying to...