Gregory's ServerIt’s a huge shame with all this Chrome adblock stuff that masses are recommending Brave. Stop it you fools, if Brave get bigger they will be infinitely worse than Google.
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 @ThePlant I'm skeptical of Vivaldi for as long as they are a Chromium fork. If they decide to spin up their own web rendering engine, I would be all for it.  @JackRacc @ThePlant there are non Chromium options though. Like @zenbrowser which is a reskin of firefox https://youtu.be/tKM2N4TQHQY @thibaultmol @ThePlant Yet I do know people that are overall concerned about Mozilla becoming a adtech/AI company as well. We need a new web rendering engine made by people and actually for the people. Toggles can always be deprecated without notice. @thibaultmol @ThePlant I actually use Floorp because it has the old pre Firefox 88 UI ported forward. And it's built on the ESR branch. I don't like the standard release branch. @thibaultmol Yikes, Floorp recently discontinued userChrome CSS mods in release binaries. Last sane version seems to be 11.16. @thibaultmol Yeah, Zen just looks like Safari for a modern macOS. I have a very specific look I was targetting and Floorp helped get there. Shame it dropped userChrome in it's newer releases. @JackRacc wel tbf, the selling point of zen is the ui customization through it's mod/theme store. But yeah, i get it if you're going for a specific look @thibaultmol I was a huge fan of Classic Theme Restorer for NPAPI back in those days. I just want pre FF 88 UI with a movable hamburger menu and all extensions shown rather than hidden in a button. If I had more time to research, hopefully there will be a way in Zen, but I still like the ESR channel.  @ThePlant and if these weren't reasons enough, Brendan Eich and some others at Brave are straight up homophobic. https://www.ft.com/content/461bf398-47ee-11e4-ac9f-00144feab7de (And he's a covid denier as well, because of course he is https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/brave-brendan-eich-covid-19.html )   @ThePlant @creativefish @kolya @ThePlant @creativefish "You don't like what I like so you bad. Go get a booboo :( " @ThePlant honestly stopping using it for technical reasons alone should be enough. Back when I used it for a bit I had way more problems than with any other browser (especially on Linux), meanwhile with Floorp I only have issues with beta features. I keep ungoogled-chromium installed for when I need a Chromium browser, and at work I use Floorp and Vivaldi @ThePlant add the moral and ethical issues just to top it off and it's a no brainer to stop using it and recommend something else   @ThePlant I've always been suspicious about Brave because of their BAT cryptocrap but I didn't realise their CEO was a PofS and that the browser shilled FTX. I sure hope a community browser emerges that offers the same benefits of browsers that object to Google's treatment of the web with the pure focus on a browser that Mozilla has seem to have lost over the years in my opinion, I'd switch in a heartbeat. :neocat_magnify:
@ThePlant That Blogpost is so bad. Brendan Eisch was the co-founder of #mozilla so we can claim the same about Firefox (the part about the "Hateful browser") Then we have the part about the AD experiment, well guess what? We have the same bs in Firefox now also. @ThePlant I am on no way defending Brave but common. Look at Mozilla and tell me exactly how they are better? The World is not black and white, it is grey. I will still use Firefox until the day it is no longer possible but I would lie if I said it had been all perfect this whole time @ThePlant And just to be clear I do not use the Brave browser at all. I have been a Firefox user for years now. But it is getting harder each year to stick with it. Fun fact: In my country Firefox has around 20% of the desktop browser marketshare according to Statcounter @Lu_Die_Milchkuh @ThePlant notice how Brendan Eich is no longer part of Mozilla? And also notice how you can criticise Firefox while also recognising it is the best option for most people? Firefox has its problems, sure, but saying it is on the same level as Brave doesn’t make sense. @ThePlant Brother I appreciate Yours feedback about Brave. I wanna tell you my side story that is: while I'm using Youtube and Chrome my daily data which is 1.5 gb goes away within 2 hrs, I am very desperate about my data but after came to know about Brave that is data friendly.So I installed Brave and do all my searches on Brave then I deleted my Youtube app and play Youtube online on Brave and you don't believe that there is no ads before Video Play this is +point that it blocked ads. @outfrost nobody's perfect and if we compare brave and mozilla it's brave the angel here  @ThePlant it's amazing how many people hate on browsers lately! sad actually. If your all not happy, just go back using "Lynx" text browser like the OLD days of the internet! but that is my thoughts, everyone else has there own. @ThePlant So use Vivaldi instead?! Someone tell me this is a joke; It’s not even open-source! The browser space is a fire pit at the moment, no denying it, but Vivaldi?! Damn, this is some next level anti-brave advertisement, and I don’t even use brave OR vivaldi atm 😂 @ThePlant Few quid on a Raspberry Pi Zero and about 15 mins setting up PiHole is the real winning solution.  @ThePlant ...and Opera Browser and Opera GX to: :mastodon: https://chaos.social/@kubikpixel/112519447889034485 @eWalthert @ThePlant Vivaldy is closed source and is in my opinion not a open testet secure tool. I use @librewolf on my desktop: :mastodon: https://chaos.social/@kubikpixel/113219106219213086 @kubikpixel @ThePlant @librewolf Off to a great start! @eWalthert @ThePlant @librewolf this is how Apple fakes security to promote their products. It's not nice and annoying but it's NOT a security problem. I haven't used Apple products for ages, but I'm of the opinion that this can be worked around. @kubikpixel @ThePlant @librewolf It’s rather, promoting products available through the Apple App Store. Which many of are in-app purchase scams without any oversight.  @ThePlant Мені сподобалась рекомендація вкінці. |>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Може із-за того мені сподобалось, що я якраз і обрав Vivaldi своїм браузером, і користуюсь ним і зараз.  @ThePlant That's a really shitty thing to tell your followers to be honest. I use Brave. I support gay and trans rights. Are you seriously suggesting that I must agree with every political stance a software developer has if I use their software? If you are, I think you are stupid. However I don't think you really believe that, just that you haven't taken the time to think it through. Let's all take a deep breath and be a little smarter, okay? @JayLittle @ThePlant Then you should be aware what harm enabling people that are probably bad is. It's not a statement about what you believe in but who you would enable by using their software and let them continue to be who they are @MageInBlack @ThePlant If every software choice becomes a political statement then all software will eventually become unpalatable. You get that, right? Also I would MUCH rather use Brave than rely on Firefox who relies almost exclusively on Google for funding. But hey I'm sure their recent decision to dive headfirst into ad-tech won't go terribly wrong, right? Never mind their previous missteps in this area. @MageInBlack @ThePlant Zen Browser isn't too far off and is my runner up choice at the moment. My biggest problem with Zen is that there is no mobile / iOS option that allows me to block ads and still have a decent browser experience with syncing. Firefox Focus is a sad joke and actual Firefox on iOS is also not up to par. Right now with Brave I can get super reliable syncing and great support across every OS along with top tier ad-blocking. @JayLittle @ThePlant Everything you do is a political statement in a sense. There is no exceptions. There are just things that are usually agreed upon so this doesn't come up. Being political has become toxic while people don't understand how politics are everywhere. Even in your choice of software. At this point you decide whenever you choose to ignore the consequences or have more comfort not worrying about it @MageInBlack @ThePlant So if I use Firefox am I then not making a political statement demonstrating my support for a foundation and business that literally is incapable of supporting itself? Keep in mind that the only thing keeping the Mozilla Foundation afloat is their willingness to sell their users out to Google in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars in funding a year. Out of the box, Mozilla has already made the decision to screw us all over. @JayLittle @ThePlant you do, in fact, make a political statement with your choice. It is your choice to weight the consequences of what you do. I'd rather use zen on pc and firefox on mobile than brave. I am not exactly happy with the choice but i have little alternatives. Gnome web? Idk what else i may look into that @JayLittle @MageInBlack ah yes, of course the business supporting itself is more important than their values and what they ship, classic right libertarian take @outfrost @MageInBlack It's not a libertarian take to acknowledge that Mozilla is nearly 100% funded by one of the worst corporations in tech, Google. If you think its inappropriate to acknowledge the fact that Google's money is tainted and that Mozilla's acceptance of it involves them doing things to Firefox that are not in the best interests of their end users, then you are being delusional. Without money Mozilla cannot operate. Without Mozilla, Firefox cannot exist. These are facts. @JayLittle @MageInBlack Oh sure I don't like how Mozilla is funded, but that is not the argument I responded to, and you're mischaracterising what I said. If you don't wanna identify with something, don't make yourself look like it. Anyway I'd rather deal with a company that has a marketing deal with Google than Google itself or an equivalently shitty thing like Brave. Also citation needed on that last part. @JayLittle @MageInBlack Yeah, software choices _are_ political, and yeah, a _lot_ of software is not-exactly-ethical. You can be unaware of issues, there's nothing wrong with that, and you can also continue using a product knowing its and the company's negative impacts. But you're getting weirdly defensive about your allegiance to brave. @MageInBlack @JayLittle exactly, i don't see how it's so hard to understand, people love to act like their choices don't matter - they do, choosing to ignore it and continue using stuff like it says it all about you as a person IMO @JayLittle @ThePlant By using Brave you are indirectly financing donations made to organizations which target minorities. That's pretty cut and dry. I want no part of that and don't want to be associated with anyone who is so I fully understand and support Liam here. Na, of all the browsers currently available, Brave most suits my needs. In addition, some of their employees I knew from the former site were also decent people.  @ThePlant I use it on my Android phone for logging in to accounts because Firefox does not have site isolation for the Android browser. I still use Mull (based on firefox) as my default browser on my phone though, just not for logging in to accounts. |
@ThePlant I'm still on Firefox and even that's becoming a garbage fire quite quickly.