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Maggie

@JayLittle @ThePlant Everything you do is a political statement in a sense. There is no exceptions. There are just things that are usually agreed upon so this doesn't come up. Being political has become toxic while people don't understand how politics are everywhere.

Even in your choice of software. At this point you decide whenever you choose to ignore the consequences or have more comfort not worrying about it

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Jay Little

@MageInBlack @ThePlant So if I use Firefox am I then not making a political statement demonstrating my support for a foundation and business that literally is incapable of supporting itself?

Keep in mind that the only thing keeping the Mozilla Foundation afloat is their willingness to sell their users out to Google in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars in funding a year. Out of the box, Mozilla has already made the decision to screw us all over.

Maggie

@JayLittle @ThePlant you do, in fact, make a political statement with your choice. It is your choice to weight the consequences of what you do. I'd rather use zen on pc and firefox on mobile than brave. I am not exactly happy with the choice but i have little alternatives. Gnome web? Idk what else i may look into that

Outfrost

@JayLittle @MageInBlack ah yes, of course the business supporting itself is more important than their values and what they ship, classic right libertarian take

Jay Little

@outfrost @MageInBlack It's not a libertarian take to acknowledge that Mozilla is nearly 100% funded by one of the worst corporations in tech, Google.

If you think its inappropriate to acknowledge the fact that Google's money is tainted and that Mozilla's acceptance of it involves them doing things to Firefox that are not in the best interests of their end users, then you are being delusional.

Without money Mozilla cannot operate. Without Mozilla, Firefox cannot exist. These are facts.

Outfrost

@JayLittle @MageInBlack Oh sure I don't like how Mozilla is funded, but that is not the argument I responded to, and you're mischaracterising what I said. If you don't wanna identify with something, don't make yourself look like it.

Anyway I'd rather deal with a company that has a marketing deal with Google than Google itself or an equivalently shitty thing like Brave.

Also citation needed on that last part.

Jay Little

@outfrost @MageInBlack Citation needed? For what? The fact that Mozilla gets almost all of its revenue from Google? Okay fine.

bloomberg.com/news/newsletters

"Those payments, which started in 2005, have been increasing—up 50% over the past decade, to more than $450 million, even as the total number of Firefox users has plummeted. In 2021 these payments accounted for 83% of Mozilla’s revenue."

I was under the impression this was common knowledge - I guess not.

@outfrost @MageInBlack Citation needed? For what? The fact that Mozilla gets almost all of its revenue from Google? Okay fine.

bloomberg.com/news/newsletters

"Those payments, which started in 2005, have been increasing—up 50% over the past decade, to more than $450 million, even as the total number of Firefox users has plummeted. In 2021 these payments accounted for 83% of Mozilla’s revenue."

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