 I love Internet, but the state of things on the Web is not very promising, to be honest: - people don't pay for stuff with money Mozilla/Facebook deal is not THE disease, it's a symptom. 40 comments
@tennoseremel You do. Everyone doesn't. I'm not saying that you are specifically to blame, it's a systemic problem we're all complacent to because of everyone's self-interest. Kinda like climate change or pollution. Case to case, we make our own life a significantly easier, while simultaneously making everyone's a little bit worse. And that adds up over time, and in the end we end up with a disaster which we don't really know what to do with. @tennoseremel I'm not "expecting" anything. I'm just saying how exactly is everything going to hell. @tennoseremel And yes, I know nobody from the user's side has any money. That's the key issue. That's what I'm saying. @tennoseremel Yes, and they don't, because they either don't want or can't. So... Ads. @drq What exactly do you want people to do? Because paying for everything you visit is mathematically impossible for the most of the population. @tennoseremel This is exactly what I'm saying. @drq It didn't yet. Maybe some things want to be too big for their own good :blobcatthinking: @tennoseremel They certainly do. And some certainly are too big for their own good. At which point they start farming and eating people. Not literally, but their data. @drq Not really. At least not everywhere and you don't really *have to* datamine people to show ads, if you go with ads. Simply show ads which are relevant to the site/article in question. @tennoseremel The less data you mine - the less money you get. The worse off you are as a service provider. It's catch-22. @drq TBH, datamined ads rarely suggest anything useful. Can't speak for everyone here, though. In any case, you don't need to earn all the money that exists, but just enough to continue doing whatever you do.  @drq @tennoseremel
"the complexity of what you do rises over time" Maybe it shouldn't :) It works for some other things. E.g. bread gets sold just as it is just fine. Same can work for news site. @drq @tennoseremel There is also charity.
Our problem is that everyone sees the Internet as the source of income. This kind of paradigm of course means everyone is supposed to pay and as much as you can make them. It wasn't always the case. @tennoseremel And besides, aside from the fact that the ads are becoming ever harder to mitigate, if you DO mitigate them, and everyone does, the advertiser stops paying to the service provider. Because why should they? They're not making any profit, because nobody watches ads, and that's what they're after. @tennoseremel Multiply that "I" by the number of the Internet users, and you'll see the point of what I'm saying. The problem lies not with you as an individual.  @uu The Internet is made for and by people. The Internet without people is not Internet, it's just collection of hardware that does nothing.  @drq what if there is someone underaged (means - under 18, legally on site, over 16). and payments online are only 18+ . what to do then ? 😁 @drq means - theoretically its possible but everyone'd need to switch from wifi to bluetooth and build web browser for bluetooth (pages available only when someone's pc is available) i even was thinking about making it wider but it'll require me some time to calculate all the things (EU compliant if about safety/bhp , how big'd be etc etc). @hacknorris @drq I think the right solution to this specific problem is not having payments online 18+ only. |
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@drq If you are implying (which you probably don't) that we must pay for every site we visit, it's gonna crash and burn real fast :blobcatderpy: