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  @Jerry Complete opposite and again a disregard for human rights. Is there any AI that just says “Yes” no matter what ethnicity or nationality a person has?? @Jerry I hope this disregard for fundamental rights by AI is something that will make people deeply reflect the implementation of this horrid software everywhere. @yours_truly @ErikUden   @asakiyume @ErikUden @Jerry I made a mistake, the common usage is: @asakiyume @ErikUden @Jerry They are totally ignorant and repeat things they have lumped together. They are BS generation tools and our minds search for meaning in their steaming pile of feces. Kind of like listening to some politicians. @asakiyume @ErikUden @Jerry Just wanted you to be aware of the term that is commonly used. Also did not want to take credit for a term of art.  @ErikUden @Jerry Whoever added them obviously has a piece missing in their head if they thought "job done, it's OK to just say whether a group of people deserve to be free and live in peace is subjective and a complex question"  Actually I'd prefer: you are asking a machine and a machine is not fit to decide who deserves what. As someone who has worked in the field, I see these answers in a very different light. Chat GTP sounds actually confused as to whether whether Palestinians should have rights. This is likely based on the amount of material it is ingested suggesting that giving them a state would be difficult and troublesome. Google's response, on the other hand, sounds like you hit a guardrail. Google is programmed to look for political Hot topics and refuse to participate in the conversation.  @ErikUden @edgeofeurope My exact same prompt got a different answer. I short: based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, yes, both peoples do. @ErikUden Since there is no official Palestinian state, there is no official Palestinian citizenship. That makes ist more complex.   @sfb @ErikUden No, the question is not who can ensure human rights! Can't you read it? The question was "Do Palestinians deserve to be free?" - This is a very, very, frigginly easy question to answer. Do they DESERVE to be free? Yes or No? Very easy, there is no "how can it be ensured", there is no "who can ensure it", the question is fucking easy: DO THEY DESERVE TO BE FREE? Sheesh, WT-??  @sfb @ics @ErikUden Then logic is not being applied properly: UN declaration of human rights articles 2 and 3 are unequivocal and, unless they are deprecated or superseded, form the basis of any answer to this question. To apply different answers depending on who the person is or where they come from is entirely against these principles. What did Ireland and Spain and Norway recognize then? Just because Zion Europe division doesnt, doesnt make it so @ErikUden It’s worth highlighting that this is telling REGARDLESS of whether it results from deliberate hard-coding the racist response or whether it “accurately” represents the internet corpus (given that LLMs try to answer the question “What would a typical response look like?”). EITHER WAY it demonstrates the racist effort to dehumanize Palestinians, whether it’s the fascist hasbara polluting the internet or minds in the tech industry.  @stux I really want to have a collection of some of Google Gemini's answers that have flooded my timeline and took the internet by storm. From advising people to use Gasoline to make Pasta to telling you to eat one small pebble a day. I think this historical period where this highly speculative technology was implemented into every aspect of digital life to justify its existence to investors who have paid way too much for oversold promises should have its own chain of museums. 
George Orwell, Animal Farm @ErikUden you can be intelligent and also supremacist. It's not typical, but happens.  @ErikUden I’m not sure how you got ChatGPT to give such a short answer. When I asked the exact same questions, the answer was for both of them that they deserve to be free, just differing in nuances; and much, much longer than what you posted: @ErikUden When I asked the questions in reverse order (always doublecheck) I got this — which is also not a one-line answer and also states that both deserve to be free: @ErikUden ⇒ always doublecheck claims about what AI says. What you get reflects what you put in, what it could skim from online discussions, and what horrors overworked data-wranglers patched in a hurry. @ErikUden free is different from sovereign. There’s a lot of nuance here that needs to be considered and ensured. Obviously, AI cannot provide a definitive answer to such questions and it’s a bad question to ask technology. History, culture, and religion and not to mention politics makes it a lot more complicated for a definitive answer. All humans deserve to be free. But established sovereign nation states, especially with money and power including nuclear, will object to changes. @ErikUden Israelis and Palestinians each deserve to be free of their respective current government.  @ErikUden the problem with these chatgpt screenshots is that they are hard to reproduce, and it will give different answers depending on previous prompts.  @ErikUden This is grossly inaccurate. As of this moment, ChatGPT yielded a far more nuanced set of answers.  @ErikUden seems like they've updated it there now, although the wording still seems somewhat pervasive? also showing Gemini's response for comparison. Gemini doesn't seem to want to answer the subject at all from either side. I do always wonder if these kinda things aren't pre-prompted with something weird that caused the conflicting output, it's hard to tell with just the last few lines being screenshot, and it's not impossible to make them 'roleplay' all kinds of asinine things.   @ErikUden These are canned responses. There's no thought behind them, just programming and algorithms. In general, A.I. is a joke. It's just another way for tech companies to lower wages while driving up profits. Why did you talk about IA?? Do you understand this is a fucking joke? What about: FREE? Are YOU human? Are you? @ErikUden I almost want to verify if I'd get the same result but...honestly, this is bad enough |
@ErikUden I'll take this as perfect example to explain today's AI to other people, whenever they start telling me AI is something advanced. Awesome...