Gregory's ServerNever in the history of ever has the phrase "quell student protests" indicated a growing societal reverence for democracy and civil rights.
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 It might help if those students weren't carrying signs saying "Death to America", "Death to Israel" and various antisemitic slogans. @Methylcobalamin @thekitmalone @lucybeahere @Methylcobalamin @thekitmalone I heard that Log Cabin Republicans met with Melania Trump at Mar-a-Lago; I found it to be quite inspirational. The Republican Party can't be anti-LGBTQ. (Because all words will be used against me, I am not a Trump supporter. I am just tired of quislings being used as proof of anything)  @Methylcobalamin @thekitmalone covered under free speech….and it’s t as nearly intimidating as wear a gun in public. @Methylcobalamin @thekitmalone the reason this response is hilarious is because people have been asking to be heard on this for 7 months now and they've been ignored. so now you're criticizing their approach, and using that as an excuse to ignore their message. also: conflating criticism of Israel/US foreign policy with anti Semitism is a dangerous lie, and it really needs to stop. @seanwithwords @Methylcobalamin It's not hilarious. Calls for death/violence aren't funny. But I have seen no real evidence that it's in any way widespread among the student protestors. And no side of this argument has the monopoly on using fighting words, I'm afraid. @Methylcobalamin @thekitmalone I don’t think I was celebrating or laughing at calls for death and violence. I was referring to the response itself, which is laughably bad. I’m sorry for suggesting there’s a light side to this. The ignorance of people making broad and poor generalizations in order to rationalize the dismissal of very legitimate protests has become quite tiring. It also doesn’t help much to “both sides” this, either. @seanwithwords @Methylcobalamin I don't think it's "both sidesing" the Palestinian liberation movement to acknowledge that, if we comb far enough, we'll find people using pretty horrible language on both sides of the issue and that therefore that maybe isn't a great measuring stick for who is right. @thekitmalone @Methylcobalamin agreed. We should be talking about the merits of the arguments, not the nature of how we protest the actions of a violent state @thekitmalone @seanwithwords @Methylcobalamin "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" are not calling for the deaths of or violence towards anything or anyone. It's a common call in anti-imperialist circles for the abolition of these imperialist states.  @seanwithwords @thekitmalone @ruby @Methylcobalamin In Arabic and languages influenced by it, “Death to X,” has a much less extreme connotation. https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69301/what-do-those-iranians-who-say-death-to-america-mean-by-it @seanwithwords @thekitmalone @ruby @Methylcobalamin TL;DR: It’s a hyperbolic exaggeration of the same sort as an English-speaker saying that someone is going to kill them, meaning ‘be very angry with them’. @Methylcobalamin @thekitmalone Go talk to your folks about killing children in hospitals, and I'll talk to my folks about signs? Wait, do not even have a conduit to the child killers?  @thekitmalone @GreenFire I don't buy it. It's def inconvenient timing, but I've organized alongside plenty of pro-Palestinian organizers over the years, and of course they are going to be highly active in this moment. Do I think Russian disinfo actor might be using this moment as a wedge to destabilize the election? Sure. But the Palestinian liberation movement isn't astroturf. It's been simmering for years, waiting for its moment. @thekitmalone @GreenFire @thekitmalone @GreenFire @thekitmalone @GreenFire That's exactly what it is. Some of the protesters at USC were far-right groups infiltrating to push their own divisive agenda. And to sow civil war. That's probably why LAPD was so heavy-handed towards the REAL protesters. Those false actors did the same thing in the 2020 protests. And even during the 1992 uprising that surrounded the campus. @GreenFire @IveyJanette @thekitmalone @lucybeahere @IveyJanette @thekitmalone That is my main point. @GreenFire @GreenFire @lucybeahere @thekitmalone I agree. I remember walking with my grandma in a picket line outside the department stores on Broadway in the early 60's in downtown LA. When I was an infant. The stores integrated not long afterwards. I walked the picket line with my mom multiple times during the grape boycotts and when her union went on strike against the big hotels. My cousins participated in the Eastside Blowouts of 1968. Protesting gets voices heard. @lucybeahere @GreenFire @thekitmalone That's also why so many disaffected communities choose to violently take to the streets instead of voting or protesting. We've seen it time and time again. @thekitmalone are you being sarcastic? Quell means to “ put an end to rebellion or disorder typical with the use of force”. Oxford languages @lillyfinch I think you've misread my toot. I know what quell means. Obviously, I think using force to stop protest is undemocratic. That's literally what I said.  Gonna mute this thread now because it's going places and that means it'll inevitably become a cesspool. I don't really feel like participating.  @thekitmalone Never in the history of ever did the people uttering the phrase care for any of those things, or, for the most part, pretended to. |
@thekitmalone Mike Johnson saying that peaceful protest is not constitutionally protected and his calling for the National Guard to be called in is on-par with Trump's worst statements as president (e.g. "If you count the legal votes, I easily win.")
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