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John Scott-Railton ☕
"Citizen, leave a copy of your home keys at the police station." Hmm, people won't like that. How about, "home-builders have a social responsibility ...[and must give police copies of all house keys]" Much better. #Europol taking another stab at the encryption fight. #Encryption #privacy #infosec #cybersecurity #europe #surveillance 35 comments
delProfundo
@LianaBrooks @jsrailton I wrote papers on the crypto wars at law school as a software architect, opening encryption is dangerous in every way and better information is available in other ways (hacking specific targets, telemetry and log data etc). The directors of the nsa and cia all are on record saying opening encryption is ruinous for the economy and law enforcement should wake up and accept that fact.
delProfundo
@bsdphk @LianaBrooks @jsrailton it essentially is. cross jurisdictional exchange of keys is impossible to overcome as decisions there are subject to political control and dangerous concentration. Key escrow is great, using it to access encrypted comms is not a case it’s suited to. Hoyle and Mitchel, the authors of ‘on solutions to key escrow problems’ acknowledge this. The paper ‘keys under doormats’ I believe reject the technology along those same lines.
Poul-Henning Kamp
@delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton Without escrow, what do we do about the "I forgot the password" problem in criminal trials ? Jail the accused/witness until the remember the password ?
delProfundo
@bsdphk @LianaBrooks @jsrailton targeted hacking of the individuals during the investigation.
Poul-Henning Kamp
@delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton So if criminals are sufficiently competent, they're not criminals ? 
Ténno Seremélʹ
@bsdphk If you don't have evidence you don't have evidence. “I know s/he is guilty” is not how justice is supposed to work. If it's your job to find evidence, do your job and find it without trampling rights of the people 🤷
Poul-Henning Kamp
@tennoseremel @delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton And my point is: That means that people sufficiently competent with cryptography can never be found guilty in white-collar crime ? ENRON: "Sorry, lost the password" - Not guilty! Really ?
Ténno Seremélʹ
@bsdphk If a few bits on a device you, as a police officer, do not control is your only evidence, then yes, you are out if luck. Work better. 
dexternemrod :qubes:
@bsdphk @delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton This! And in addition you would danger all other people.
Didier
@bsdphk @tennoseremel @delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton It can be solved with a few cameras in every house, you know? It's not that you have something to hide and it could prevent some child abuse. Extra benefit: you can have your e2ee in your chat, for now.
Francesco Marini
@LianaBrooks @jsrailton it’s a terrible idea. And I wouldn’t trust *any* law enforcement agency/individual with any decryption key. Even if it doesn’t end up in the hands of criminals (and they will), I expect criminals to already be part of the aforementioned agencies, so… fsck them and their 1984 dreams. 
Aral Balkan
@jsrailton Alt text: Europol's Executive Director Catherine De Bolle, said:
Aral Balkan
to develop a safer environment where law enforcement and justice can do their work. If police lose the ability to collect evidence, our society will not be able to protect people from becoming victims of crime. (2/2) 
Jasper
@jsrailton will our reporters be asking her if she's building an authoritarian panopticon? If we get to own our machines? If we get to opt out of "smart"?
jon crowcroft
@jsrailton great so now the adversary just has to break into the police station to access everyone's home. data breaches by london met alone:- https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/police-officer-data-breaches#:~:text=A%20report%20commissioned%20by%20'Big,with%20the%20Data%20Protection%20Act%3F
PetraPanda
@jsrailton tech companies to have social responsibilities.
Benedek Kozma
@jsrailton There is already a lot of public evidence against cryptocurrencies and AI companies, so the lack of evidence is not the deciding factor why they are not doing their work.
bigMouthCommie
cryptocurrency aren't illegal. I'm not sure which companies you are saying did something, either. I agree that there is plenty of crime, and cops don't need any help, but your comment is opaque. 
KB Leecaster
@jsrailton If you think that you can't trust your government than you should definitely do all you can to change it.
red0ran
@GreenFire @jsrailton the former. Or do you think governments should be able to enter your home and rifle through your belongings without a warrant?
KB Leecaster
@red0ran @jsrailton Why should I be afraid of my government? You sound like a Trumper worried about lizard people running everything.
KB Leecaster
@red0ran @jsrailton You sound like a criminal that I'd like my government to help protect my friends and family from, but maybe you just support terrorists and Russians running rampant in democratic liberal states doing harm.
red0ran
@GreenFire @jsrailton you are white, and the law and "due process" are applied differently to you. If you still don't understand that in 2024, then with "Democrats" like you I'm not sure we need Republicans. On which note: you have called me a Trump supporter, a criminal, and a terrorist supporter. I won't wait to find out what the next epithet will be. Next time you lose a friend or find yourself yelling into a void, I would recommend some self-reflection regarding why that keeps happening.
Purple
@jsrailton I bet than in a lot of places, homes where always more dangerous due to violence in partnerships (so called domestic violence). 
Osma A
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Alessandro Corazza
@jsrailton haha what? I don't want anyone but me to have my house keys. That's the point of having a lock in the first place. |
Gregory's Server
@jsrailton Do you all trust your law enforcement more than Americans or is this a terrible idea all around?