Gregory's Server@delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton
Key-escrow is not "opening encryption".
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Poul-Henning Kamp
@delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton Without escrow, what do we do about the "I forgot the password" problem in criminal trials ? Jail the accused/witness until the remember the password ?
delProfundo
@bsdphk @LianaBrooks @jsrailton targeted hacking of the individuals during the investigation.
Poul-Henning Kamp
@delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton So if criminals are sufficiently competent, they're not criminals ? 
Ténno Seremélʹ
@bsdphk If you don't have evidence you don't have evidence. “I know s/he is guilty” is not how justice is supposed to work. If it's your job to find evidence, do your job and find it without trampling rights of the people 🤷
Poul-Henning Kamp
@tennoseremel @delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton And my point is: That means that people sufficiently competent with cryptography can never be found guilty in white-collar crime ? ENRON: "Sorry, lost the password" - Not guilty! Really ?
Ténno Seremélʹ
@bsdphk If a few bits on a device you, as a police officer, do not control is your only evidence, then yes, you are out if luck. Work better. 
dexternemrod :qubes: replied to Ténno
@bsdphk @delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton This! And in addition you would danger all other people.
Didier
@bsdphk @tennoseremel @delProfundo @LianaBrooks @jsrailton It can be solved with a few cameras in every house, you know? It's not that you have something to hide and it could prevent some child abuse. Extra benefit: you can have your e2ee in your chat, for now. |
@bsdphk @LianaBrooks @jsrailton it essentially is. cross jurisdictional exchange of keys is impossible to overcome as decisions there are subject to political control and dangerous concentration. Key escrow is great, using it to access encrypted comms is not a case it’s suited to. Hoyle and Mitchel, the authors of ‘on solutions to key escrow problems’ acknowledge this. The paper ‘keys under doormats’ I believe reject the technology along those same lines.