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Thomas 🔭✨

I love Apple products and for their own good they should be forced to open up their mobile platform (just like their computers always have been) for people to install whatever they fucking want on it

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remote procedure chris

@thomasfuchs their platforms feel so stunted by their own decisions, especially mobile. like ipads alone have long outgrown "just a big iphone" in terms of hardware yet i can't find any utility in them at all. i have a mini and every good thing about it is something it -almost- does as well as a desktop computer, but with enough grit and fuss that it's never the correct device to use. and like, i love ultraportable computers, ipads should be my favorite devices ever

Thomas 🔭✨

@chrisisgr8 yeah I don’t mind super much on the phone (tho would def like to e.g. be able to have some emulators) but on the iPad it feels like using something that’s deliberately mangled.

They should have have done a “flee ahead” several years ago and open up the platforms on their own terms while they still could

Миша

@chrisisgr8 @thomasfuchs the only use I’ve ever found for an iPad is for keeping my kids entertained when we travel. Otherwise I’ll use my phone or my laptop.

Nick Gorski

@chrisisgr8 @thomasfuchs Just give me MacOS on an Ipad! That’s all I want!

(((_SjG_)))

@chrisisgr8 @thomasfuchs the only use I've found where I wouldn't rather use my phone or notebook is illustration. The Apple Pen on an iPad is a decent experience for some kinds of graphic design work. (It's not unique to the iPad - friends use MS Surface, and one even runs Linux on his, although the pen driver is a little laggy).

Bobby Moss

@thomasfuchs snap. It’s ridiculous that people have to exploit security vulnerabilities on their phone to do that. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Back when we mostly used smartphones for calls, texts, light browsing, and novelty apps it was acceptable. When they started being used for laptop level tasks, work communications, and online banking, not so much! 😂

It would be amazing after all these years to see Cydia running on an unhacked version of iOS.

Mx. Eddie R

@thomasfuchs
Yes! iPad with Linux would be just about my ideal ultraportable, with a more open iOS that I can freely install stuff on as a second choice.

Emma Builds 🚀

@silvermoon82 @thomasfuchs a non-disposalbly built iPad that runs some form of Debian would be nice. But Apple's stuff is now disposable because shareholders.

Chasnah

@thomasfuchs The iPad would be one of the greatest devices ever created if I could install macOS on it.

Alex 알렉스

@thomasfuchs totally true. Eventually the most users will not care at all and use it the same way as they do right now. 💁

Григорий Клюшников

Apple's maniacal insistence on retaining control over iOS devices after sale is the №1 reason why I'm that weirdo who uses a Mac but an Android phone. I can't see myself using a phone where I'm not able to install apps form wherever the fuck I want without asking anyone.

treefit

@grishka @thomasfuchs I guess they will also try to go the appstore only route for their new VR/XR computing. I can understand app stores have auto updates and solve some trust problems for some users, but on the other hand it's too much control in the hands of a single entity.

Григорий Клюшников

treefit, VR/XR isn't nearly as critical. You are required to own and use a smartphone (with one of the two major OSes) to function in the modern society, while VR is mostly a gimmick. Auto-updates were a solved problem on desktops before mobile app stores were invented.

treefit

@grishka @thomasfuchs It is the comparison between macOS and VisionOS, I think visionOS will could replace macOS before replacing iPhones, and on macOS you can download 3rd party apps from outside of the appstore, granted they need to be notarised by apple, but not reviewed by their team.

Григорий Клюшников

treefit, no, I don't think visionOS will replace macOS. It feels like Apple themselves aren't sure what their Vision Pro product line is for. They just put it out as a technology demonstrator and to see what third-party developers will come up with. It's entirely possible that VR is a solution in search of a problem for anything but games.

BTW the notarization aren't even a strict requirement. You can still distribute macOS apps without any Apple involvement, it's just that the UX of the first launch of such an app won't be great.

treefit, no, I don't think visionOS will replace macOS. It feels like Apple themselves aren't sure what their Vision Pro product line is for. They just put it out as a technology demonstrator and to see what third-party developers will come up with. It's entirely possible that VR is a solution in search of a problem for anything but games.

Thomas 🔭✨

@grishka @treefit visionOS, at least so far, is just a vanity project for Cook

treefit

@grishka @thomasfuchs Though they don't offer native steam vr integration yet and no awesome own titles, so I don't really think they are serious about gaming.

The focus really seemed on the UI, wich reviewers say is way better than the other VR interfaces that are out there.

Knowing that you need to go to the settings or to the terminal to allow the app is a rather big UX hurdle, but good to know that it is still possible, I thought they made it even harder, good its still in the settings.

treefit

@grishka @thomasfuchs
That you are forced to use a phone from one of two players, that can track you where you go, is also a thing that's rather creepy.

I really hope that #linuxphones catch up and that there will be laws that prevent essential apps like banking to at-least not deny usage in a virtual environment.

Also would be nice if hardware keys for 2FA would be standard, as I don't trust my phones. Even iPhone had too many "take the phone over with a one iMessage" zero-days. 😰

@grishka @thomasfuchs
That you are forced to use a phone from one of two players, that can track you where you go, is also a thing that's rather creepy.

I really hope that #linuxphones catch up and that there will be laws that prevent essential apps like banking to at-least not deny usage in a virtual environment.

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