@halva specially designers need to stop using Apple hardware and see what their design really look like to most people.

@halva@wetdry.world this should also apply to game developers
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@halva also, their internet access needs to be capped speed-wise and maybe even data-wise for that same time period.

@halva@wetdry.world I am a professional software developer and I work on a Thinkpad released in 2008.

@halva I do think that they need to be reigned in but I think that limiting things to the power of a netbook is a little too far in the other direction lol

@halva A month is not enough...

@halva I have a 12 years old notebook, but is is high end unfortunately.

@halva@wetdry.world Bold of you to assume I'm not already running a potato

@halva@wetdry.world 10 year old netbook? cmon, do better. i use a 15 year old laptop most days (although its higher end than "netbook"). at least force frontend devs to make software that supports opengl version "fucking ancient lol only vlc runs on this"

@halva 😂

@halva Even more so, leadership should have to deal with a low end 10yo netbook for at least three months every year.

@halva already using a 10 year old netbook but developing extremely bloated frontends anyways mwahahaha :blobcatevil: /s

@halva@wetdry.world caps ​:neocat_googly_shocked:​

@halva
But I do stop using my personal machine to use the one the company gave me (aka, passed on to me when someone else left eight years ago) every time I go into the office to work. Honest!

@halva they should be sent out into a cabin in the woods for no fewer than 3 years as both a time out and to realize the annoying bullshit they keep doing literally doesn't matter to anybody but them and get some perspective on life.

@halva as a front end developer, i 100% agree

@halva its always backend devs who need to load docker images and multi-gig database backups that are in the "alleged computer" territory :P

@halva I love this. I actually keep around a dual core Celeron laptop around for this purpose. If my web app is too painfully slow on that, I've got work to do

@halva@wetdry.world reminds me of a 10 year old laptop review that was using up to date windows 11, and windows + edge itself crashed and froze multiple times but ran high end benchmarks without freezing or crashing (albeit at the worst score imaginable.)

@halva Hotter take -- they should do this while using cellphone-tethered internet while riding the subway of the closest major city that has one.

@halva as someone who has to do lots of front end code: YES, PLEASE!

it's ridiculous how we waste ressources nowadays

@halva I wouldn't even suggest this is controversial. When developing an application, I get having a powerful computer to compile that code, but testing should happen on lower-end equipment. It's called meeting people where they are. If the experience is bad for the majority of people because your frontend requires too much oomph, nobody will want to use your app.

@halva@wetdry.world why would anyone in their right mind use a 10yo netbook

@halva THIS FRONT END DEVELOPER USED A 15 YEARS OLD COMPUTER FOR TWO YEARS AND KNOWS HOW BAD NODEJS AND MODERN WEBSITES ARE. My website is mostlystatic with a bit of optional JS for some interactivity. https://jak2k.schwanenberg.name/

@halva One month? How about 12?

@halva with a slow internet connection.

@halva And they should have to read 10 pt gray on gray text while wearing glasses that simulate having old people's eyes.

@halva cruel and unusual punishment 😭

@halva 10 year old mobile phone on a 1G connection

@halva another month will be "Did You Think Everyone Preorders The New iPhone, Greg?" month, where they must live using a five year old Android handset on a metered data plan.

Trust me: the experience will be eye-opening.

@halva + mouse removal.
Keyboard only.
Anyone tempted to say that's not possible and is in front end, I'm stabbing eye daggers at your TAB and ENTER keys rn 👀

Every time enter or space does not perform a button action, every time TAB cannot move me from object to object, a disabled user is told their motility restrictions render them unwelcome. Source: it me, i am the unwelcome one.

@halva I want to give all mobile developers a Galaxy S5 running the latest LineageOS build

@halva so my 8yo laptop not enough, yep?

@halva And OS and productivity software developers should be using 5-10 year old mid-tier computers at best.

@halva developing any kind of software on older hardware only has benefits. The performance target is much more strict then, with big focus on optimization and compatibility. And old hardware is a lot cheaper.
If you feel like your PC is too slow for software development, you're not optimizing enough, be it for runtime or compilation time.

@halva but they install anydesk and make a connection to a userland linux on there phone.

Oh wait frontend....

@halva they should also have to test their interfaces among users of age 60, 70, and 80.

@halva its 13 year old netbooks btw. I know because i have one running his business for the next 5 years.

@halva Make marketing and product managers join in so they quit asking for bloat too.

@halva @cassidy Perhaps some engineer at google (who values the open web) will update the default setting in chrome dev tools to throttle connections to 3G speeds. *That* would have quite an impact.

#UX #OpenWeb #LeanWeb

@halva
Yeah definitely. I have to use mastering physics from pearson, and I feel the bloat when loading from my phone on firefox. I get two different blocked up messages everytime. A banner that says linux is unsupported, and to use safari instead (on android at least).

Then once I'm in, the whole UI feels a bit sluggish. This is all on a Pixel 8 btw. On my older tablet, I can't even the read the textbook without giving up due to frustration.

@halva@wetdry.world i5 5200U my old belo... well not beloved

@halva @cassidy Yes, but the whole org chart above them too.

@halva Go work in big corporate, you'll probably have that exact setup by default & be forced to use IE.

@halva Moreover, frontend developers in major cities must have their internet throttled

@halva Ha, my laptop is old enough to drive!

@halva and backend devs should execute their queries in a 1Gb RAM server.

@halva why stop there? Blindfold them for a month to improve websites ' accessibility

@halva

Heck yeah. ALL testing should be done on a 10-year-old machine.

@halva And, more importantly, use a slow and flaky mobile internet connection.

@halva I worked at a major internet company when they tried instituting “slow internet Tuesdays” so we’d better understand how dialup and DSL users interacted with our products.

I don’t think it lasted more than two weeks.

@halva react: let me refresh this ten times for no reason

@halva every front end developer using a misskey-like would weep in sorrow

Lol that would be a 4 year upgrade over the low-end netbook from 2010 :-) (But I am not doing frontend, though…)

@halva 12 months

@halva I'm using a 1 year old chromium-based browser with network restricted to fast 3g and cpu slowed down 6x restricted to a single thread.

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If I'm concerned about the speed of my product.

@halva Oh hey, an upgrade!

@halva AND A VIOLENTLY DIFFERENT MOBILE DEVICE, NO, MAKE THAT TWO!

@halva counter take: make the CEO use the netbook.

@halva@wetdry.world Same should be done for game devs.

@halva@wetdry.world Also anyone who makes ads.

@halva completely agree!!! I’ve said before that all devs should have to work on decade-old hardware for some portion of each year. Tools would improve, and so would products!

@halva @draNgNon Why just front end developers, why not anyone involved in making apps? You want real change make the PMs and CEOs suffer this

@halva Should probably make them use Windows too. My x220 running Linux seems to do just fine.

@halva why is this hot its literally just fact. not only because they fucking deserve it but also so they can actually god rest their soul optimize things

UB: detesto frontend.

@halva Only frontend?

@halva

They should also be forced to use a screen reader at least 1 day a week.

@halva @knack Yes yes yes.

Thanks to a power cut I've been using a years-old ThinkPad W540 instead of my usual machine (a recent Ryzen desktop). Electron apps are notably sluggish, and I can type faster than Slack's Web interface and render.

@halva coldest, blandest take ever. this is just plain fact,

@halva

It's why I code front end on an HP business machine. They just suck in general, so if it works there it should be good always

@halva Same with browser.

First thing I was told when working in a web company: "Please only use Chrome for development".

Outside of work I test my hobby web pages in Firefox and Epiphany etc.

It's not easy to design and implement for many environments, but you're a frontend WEB engineer, you are to anticipate diversity.

@halva ok but what about fullstack developers???

@halva i fully agree. halva nice day.

@halva especially desktop guys..... Im looking at you KDE and GNOME devs

@halva as a frontend developer, I strongly agree

@halva Cry of the soul, straight from our minds.

As a primarily frontend mentor, I couldn't agree more with this hot take.

@halva Just don't use front-ends. Start learning the command line interfaces.

@halva And no wired broadband internet, jittering 3G only.

@halva hotter take: they should only ever use a 10 year old netbook

@halva@wetdry.world 1984

@halva Firefox, Outlook, Team invitation. WTF??

@halva LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK HONEY

@halva I disagree, but only because I think it should be applied 12 months out of the year!

@halva also anyone making apps in Electron.

@halva Speaking as a front-end developer: YES, 100%, ABSOLUTELY, YES.

@halva@wetdry.world another month where their network connection is limited to 56k modem speeds.

We've got to make the regret making their websites 20mb of JavaScript somehow.

@halva as a 20$ chromebook user, I agree

@halva Honestly, why stop at that, just give the front end devs a core 2 duo ( or a similarly perforant SBC) to do their work on, but with a normal screen and keyboard, since destroying their ergonomics is not the goal here, and force them to test their visual changes at a variety of window sizes.

@halva as a 2012 macbook air enjoyer I entirely support this statement

@halva You just need to get a laptop with Windows on it and you are good to go. ^^ Joke aside, a Raspberrry Pi 3 or 4 would also do a fine benchmark.

@halva Not just a netbook, but a moderately old cellphone as well.

My S21FE lagged reading a news article earlier from the sheer number of ads.

@halva this isn't a hot take. It should be pushed on every company
Front end guys should have the low end user machine as their test device if not their main device

When backend is on a dedicated server, the front end should be thoroughly tested as not bloated

@halva@wetdry.world chrome dev tools has options to emulate slow Internet for a reason