What if the real answer to permacomputing is less computing, and not increasingly esoteric conglomerations of arbitrarily chosen hardware and language paradigm? :blobpeek:
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What if the real answer to permacomputing is less computing, and not increasingly esoteric conglomerations of arbitrarily chosen hardware and language paradigm? :blobpeek: A lovely update on the last year of progress on Decker and lil, http://beyondloom.com/blog/unionstate2.html
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@eli_oat i wanna do this! sounds very fun and like a good motivation to continue some learning/experiments i started a couple months ago :) stack oriented array language!? stack oriented array language! And, to boot!? It has pretty solid dev tooling -- you don't need to know the glyphs, the editor can complete them for you, and it supports multimedia output. You can tell it to display the results of a script as numbers, or as an image, or as a sound file!?
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@eli_oat a video has appeared in my youtube subscriptions : https://youtu.be/iTC1EiX5bM0?si=ELtW3hSvMHBuAlLB After looking around at a bunch of logo interpreters and being displeased with them all for my purposes, I decided to make my own… Which is me outside with my kids shouting “forward ten!” and then them taking 10 steps. We’ve been doing it for a few days, and have progressed to functions and stored programs in memory. @neauoire you ever seen this? It is a teeny tiny lisp repl for the SCHIP. https://internet-janitor.itch.io/bulb A quirk of it is that it doesn't use a keyboard, just the d-pad. it think we talked about something like this but with BF a few months ago? I'm gonna hunt down the code for it. @eli_oat Oh wow, that's pretty neat. I've written a bit of CHIP8 and this is some heavy lifting. I have never seen this, it's very cool :) Wrote a blog post about array programming, poetry, lightsabers, and then ended with some thoughts on #permacomputing, its aesthetics, and where I locate its goals. https://eli.li/2023/04/21/of-array-programming-lightsabers-and-some-thoughts-on-permacomputing with the absolute weakest of weak sauces I started to hide some of my thoughts about enchantment and programming in this post, @left_adjoint I am sorry to anyone reading my blog post for deep lightsaber stuff...it is mostly asking if Ewoks ate people with no mention of lightsabers. My bad. @eli_oat Excellent post, I've also been feeling the same, it's seems like a lot of the discussion around the topic is narrowing down to which computer to buy this season that is "most perma", and less like, "what are your needs, and how does this device serves them" Maybe I'm just annoyed that people are using the 100r website as a shopping list. Here's that blog post I promised I'd write! It's about how I set out to write a text editor after rereading Peter Naur's "Programming as Theory Building" and ended up writing a shell script instead. https://eli.li/2023/02/18/moon-maker Shout outs to @llimllib for some assistance figuring out how to traverse a file tree upwards! |
Also, to be wicked clear, this isn't to yuck anyone's yum, nor stop anyone's projects! I think a lot of the projects in the permacomputing space are rad and great and a lot of fun but maybe the wind under their wings can sometimes be that they're fun and interesting and not that they're gonna save the world -- why are we putting that pressure on an esp32 board running a cool dialect of forth?
@eli_oat I read a good perspective, possibly on my timeline here, about how the best preparedness action you can make for any future disaster is to really get to know your neighbours now. It stuck with me. Also while I was messing about with LoRa depth sensors for our old water tank a neighbour used to measure with an old broom handle. Increasingly (in my more nihilistic moments I guess) I can't see much of a use for computers outside of capitalism and hobbies.
@eli_oat always has been! It is about using computation only when it has a strengthening effect on ecosystems.