@eli_oat always has been! It is about using computation only when it has a strengthening effect on ecosystems.
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@eli_oat always has been! It is about using computation only when it has a strengthening effect on ecosystems. 13 comments
@320x200 @eli_oat "using computation only when it has a strengthening effect on ecosystems" is literally the second sentence on the permacomputing page on xxiivv wiki, but I don't think anyone takes the time to read anything anymore, making it more explicit on the pmc won't fare much better. All the discourse about pmc nowdays are putdowns aimed at some sort of vegetarianputation disconnected from anything envisioned on any pmc documentation anywhere, the failure is not in the wiki pages. @neauoire There's a powerful difference between articulating constraint and tendency. Constraint: "Use computation only when it has a strengthening effect on the ecosystem." This can seem overwhelming, because we're talking about intrinsically non-linear systems where consequences are hard to predict. Tendency: "Try to make yourself less and less necessary to the functioning of the ecosystem." Oh cool, now I know which way is up! @neauoire @320x200 @eli_oat chiming in to share that "what is permacomputing?" has been on my mind for the past months, despite reading both pmc.net and xxiivv wiki; for me it has predominantly been "a vibe" i wonder if in the future there will be a well-defined category twinning with pmc, e.g. consider agroecology: the well-defined study of agriculture within ecological bounds and logics. compare it to permaculture's lack of clear boundaries & definitions, at least wrt academic usage afaiu :) @wim_v12e yes yes, usually computation is used to solve human problems(sometimes animal problems too, often both) |
@neauoire @eli_oat absolutely, maybe we should be more explicit in the wiki about this because this is certainly shared and taken for granted by all the people who have been active in this space so far, and who are generally extremely critical of the invasive and pervasive position of the so-called digital revolution. We could even say that less computing (both as in computational/resource degrowth, but also as in less time we spend interfaced with machines) is both a motivation and consequence that arises when we start to critically evaluate our relationship with computer. The problem is that this is more difficult to communicate, compared to showcasing a cool rad projects because it really touches to ways of living more mindfully with machines and networks. It's an important one to highlight as well because it really touches to the issues of privilege that is right now a hard to avoid pre-condition to be able to re-negotiate our relationship with computing. This makes the political dimension of pmc even more relevant as a consequence. How can we be more clear about this?
@neauoire @eli_oat absolutely, maybe we should be more explicit in the wiki about this because this is certainly shared and taken for granted by all the people who have been active in this space so far, and who are generally extremely critical of the invasive and pervasive position of the so-called digital revolution. We could even say that less computing (both as in computational/resource degrowth, but also as in less time we spend interfaced with machines) is both a motivation and consequence that...