@320x200 @eli_oat "using computation only when it has a strengthening effect on ecosystems" is literally the second sentence on the permacomputing page on xxiivv wiki, but I don't think anyone takes the time to read anything anymore, making it more explicit on the pmc won't fare much better.
All the discourse about pmc nowdays are putdowns aimed at some sort of vegetarianputation disconnected from anything envisioned on any pmc documentation anywhere, the failure is not in the wiki pages.
@neauoire @eli_oat I don't see it quite like this. When an idea, term, discourse, concept, etc, starts to circulate, (mis-)appropriation and (mis-)interpretation are unavoidable. In that sense pmc is *both* a by-product of cultural diffusion itself in relation to many other ideas and concepts that predate its formulation, *and* it is in turn at the origin of many other variations to come and in the making through discussions like in this thread. It is true that it can be frustrating when some time has already been spent on enunciating some aspects of pmc, and people are responding to a term, projecting things without having spent necessarily enough time to engage with it to see if this pertinent or not. Similarly it can also be frustrating when it is used in a questionnable or trivial way. But I see these moments as opportunities to sharpen up things and better understand what kind of things it triggers. There are enough people who care about all this to make it very worthwhile and useful I think :)
@neauoire @eli_oat I don't see it quite like this. When an idea, term, discourse, concept, etc, starts to circulate, (mis-)appropriation and (mis-)interpretation are unavoidable. In that sense pmc is *both* a by-product of cultural diffusion itself in relation to many other ideas and concepts that predate its formulation, *and* it is in turn at the origin of many other variations to come and in the making through discussions like in this thread. It is true that it can be frustrating when some time...