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Ilya Zverev

Updated editor statistics at wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ed

All editors continue to gain users, except for iD and Maps.Me. There is also a weird drop in bot activity this year.

foxy

@zverik with Maps.me it is clear what happened. But the activity of iD and bots seems to be at the level of measurement error and expectations.

piebro.github.io/openstreetmap
piebro.github.io/openstreetmap

Ilya Zverev

Anybody knows how to unpack @protomaps PMTiles into a set of mvt files in directories?

Didn't research pmtiles support in @maplibre native and now want to have raw files extracted rather then re-generated.

protomaps

@zverik @maplibre in the python pmtiles package there is a pmtiles-convert command:

github.com/protomaps/PMTiles/b

however I would use one of the ZXY proxies if possible to make it maplibre native compatible

Ilya Zverev

just played this new Downpour and it improved my day. why not see if it'll improve yours?

YOU ARE A ROTUND HAMSTER by Petra Szemán

downpour.games/~petraszeman/ha

v

love posting stuff like this and it's like... unless you happen to know Petra you would not know that she is an actually very accomplished artist and i've seen her work at, like, shows at the Whitechapel and stuff. that's Downpour!

vaporstack

@v i'm so sad I have a child and no time for games. but then I never managed to finish a Hunter run

Ilya Zverev

Why mapping Points of Interest in #OpenStreetMap is hard:

The map shows shops, businesses, and some other amenities mapped on one street and square (Calle / Plaza de la Victoria) in Malaga.

I compared March 2020 with the current data, which I have been surveying and updating recently.

Only the pale blue dots have the same name and type of business at both dates. Even in this group there are quite a few changes to secondary tags (notably, dead websites).

/CTD

A map showing shops and other businesses along a single street as circles. The colour of the circle indicates what has happened between March 2020 and now. A few businesses are unchanged, but there are far more circles for points of interest that have disappeared, been newly added, changed name or change type.
Alan Grant

Red circles are POIs that have disappeared completely.

Green circles have been added since 2020. This slightly exaggerates the rate of change as some of these were simply missing in 2020 data (especially some non-shop-like amenities like social/religious centres). But many are genuinely business opened since 2020.

Orange circles are changes in the type of POI (e.g. a clothes shop replaced by a hairdresser). Yellow are name changes, sometimes just typo fixes but usually a change of owner.

/CTD

Ilya Zverev

So given I've spent some time on @everydoor yesterday, I decided to also experiment with the ChatGPT tags suggestion API by @ian (image-to-osm.vercel.app/). A bit slow, but feels like magic.

This will not go into production, of course.

You can download an Android apk from github.com/Zverik/every_door/a (you need to be logged in to github).

tomek

@everydoor @ian wouldn't old good machine learning alghoritms be enough for this limited dataset?

Ian Dees

@everydoor that's super cool! It should be a bit faster if you can scale the image down to 1024px before uploading.

s3lf

@everydoor that is super helpfull for opening time signs as well, but it would be cool if a photo could also used to add tags to an existing point. I think you should also allow to enter an own openAI API key so the burden to decide about environment impacts is more on the user side.

Ilya Zverev

Today, version 5.2 was released! Nothing big, mainly preset and imagery updates:

github.com/Zverik/every_door/r

Google Play and Github are up, F-Droid to follow in a couple days, AppStore this week.

Ilya Zverev

One of the most important lessons in volunteer-driven development is that motivation isn’t commutable. If a contributor hadn’t worked on thing Y, that doesn’t automatically mean that they would have dedicated their time to thing Z instead.
It’s not a given that people are equally motivated for everything.

Brodie Robertson

@bragefuglseth This is one of the most annoying things I see in discussions about forks or alternative software, as an example if COSMIC didn't exist then those developers could spend there time contributing to GNOME or KDE, but that's not how this has ever worked.

It seems like some people want to treat the whole FOSS world as one company where if you didn't work on one thing then you'd be shifted over to the team working on this other thing.

Ilya Zverev

An interesting feature of the OSM community is that different local communities communicate on completely different platforms.

I recently deleted abandoned communication channels from the osm-community-index and it turned out that the Russian community lives on Telegram and on the forum and... nowhere else :/

This is good and bad, but the fact that some memes remain only in Telegram is upsetting.

t.me/ruosm_news/2504

Ilya Zverev

#PyOsmium v4 just got released! 🎉 Wow so many goodies in this one!! 🤩

github.com/osmcode/pyosmium/re

It's the defacto industry standard for working with #OpenStreetMap e.g. .osm.pbf files efficiently and effectively! 🤓

#Mapstodon #Geo #Python

screen grab from the pyosmium github release page
Ilya Zverev

Another question to be answered: What is the way (with more than 100 nodes) with the highest density of nodes? it's openstreetmap.org/way/52062545 with an average of 1 node every 8.8mm (yes, millimeters)! The 95cm long way has 109 nodes!

This one's probably more dubious given the projection used, the top 1000 were all between 0.88 and 7.2cm/node

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Ryan The Red 🖥️🚲🍺🏳️‍🌈

@jmaris LOL isn't that the subterranean vehicle from the movie "The Core"?

Григорий Клюшников

JUST BUILD TRAINS

But it can be said that hyperloop is a type of high-speed train. At speeds beyond around 400 km/h the air starts being a serious problem so it makes sense to put the train into a tunnel with lower air pressure if you want it to go faster. The practicality of that is questionable though, yes.

rugk

@jmaris well… likely not impossible but expense as ****, hmm?

Ilya Zverev

Omg thank you @arnalielsewhere , this was a spectacular run! Everyone, follow her for more music, fashion, and events :)

Welcoming @foxy, who's been very helpful in the Russian community, and made a few useful tools in the past years!

Ilya Zverev

Volunteer communities are like:

> "We need to do X"

"That takes commitment and time and we're all volunteers"

> "So can we hire someone to do X?"

"We're volunteer community,
nobody gets paid"
"Where's the money from?"
"Can I get paid too then?"

> "How do we fundraise and decide who gets paid and who volunteers?"
"We need committed people who can govern and decide that"

and

"That takes commitment and time and we're all volunteers"

Volunteer communities are like:

> "We need to do X"

"That takes commitment and time and we're all volunteers"

> "So can we hire someone to do X?"

"We're volunteer community,
nobody gets paid"
"Where's the money from?"
"Can I get paid too then?"

> "How do we fundraise and decide who gets paid and who volunteers?"
"We need committed people who can govern and decide that"

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João S. O. Bueno

@mariatta that is really complicated.

I am on the GIMP project, participating sometimes less, sometimes more, and we've been on this loop for the last 30 years.

Fancy Sandwiches

@mariatta if I had a nickel every time I had to tell someone

"That takes commitment and time and we're all volunteers"

I'd have enough money to fund every volunteer run organization that needs it.

danstowell

@mariatta Almost a direct quote of many OpenStreetMap discussions I've seen

Ilya Zverev

This is glorious.The best time to burn a bridge is when you never, ever want to cross it again. #genai (Edit: This is a notice explaining why somebody is shutting down a long-running project to measure word frequencies.) github.com/rspeer/wordfreq/blo

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Aaron

@williampietri That was a great, but honestly heartbreaking, read.

If there's anything I like it's the fact that "slop" seems to be sticking as the name for what GenAI produces.

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