@ariadne @eff I disagree. EFF is, as usual, taking the long and broad view, and they are right. As far as I can tell, KiwiFarms does not have a contractual relationship with with Hurricane Electric. So they are not bound by their TOS/AUP. I know nothing about KiwiFarms except what's in the EFF article. They sound horrible. But we do not destroy bridges because some awful people use them.

@ariadne @eff the EFF clearly states their understanding is that KF is not a customer and would not have signed an AUP. Are you refuting that factual claim or are you suggesting that Crunchbits AUP signature makes them liable for all of their customer's use?

(for the record I'm happy to see any disruption to KF in isolation)

@ariadne @eff I have no comment on the technical aspects (you clearly have a much better grasp on that than I do), but I'd like to add two points that might be persuasive to some:

1. If the concern is "fascists will use this principle against good speech in the future" - since when do fascists care about principles?
2. The speech in this case - harassment and doxxing - is itself the harm that needs to be stopped. So yes, there is a real, actionable difference between KF and other websites.

@ariadne Oh wow. RIP. I can't think of another piece of software that I use so frequently. The sheer number of people that use Vim... I wonder what the future of it looks like without him.

@ariadne oh no

@ariadne vim is one of the pure unalloyed goods in this world. Bram, thank you. Rest in peace.

@ariadne I can't help but think that preserving it might also be dangerous in quite a few countries.

anyway, `dereferenced.org` is now fixed

@ariadne would boost but no alt text

@ariadne dumb fucks

@ariadne Yeah that tracks with current behaviour.

@ariadne finally, federated pixelfed thots

@ariadne is sbcglobal part of the AT&T internal network.

oh my god its even worse on the inside

@ariadne You ain't kidding. One winter I had one of those sitting in a cold kitchen sink when I dumped hot water from the stove into it. Glass *everywhere*.

@ariadne definitely do not refill with hot sauce

@ariadne the Japanese says “or do whatever you want, I’m soy sauce, not a cop”

@ariadne Why on earth did we make Google de facto rulers of the internet

@ariadne Dear lord.

these laws always skew towards FUD. FUD about pedophiles. FUD about human trafficking. both of those concerns are to some degree legitimate, of course, and while pedophiles and human traffickers do benefit from end to end encryption, so does everyone else. they want you to forget that everyone benefits and focus on the criminal element instead.

@ariadne in addition to .so?

actually the N900 wasn't very good lol

@ariadne I won't even schedule a maintenance window if you merge that in to Treehouse, I will just immediately upgrade as soon as I find out

@ariadne We live here, we're poor, and yeah everything just feels kinda hostile.

We prooobably shouldn't join that instance, huh.

@ariadne Meanwhile they of course don't see any problem with the /weird/ money flows into private businesses in that same area.

Or the suspiciously and inexplicably expensive military contractors.

why can't pizza places be 24 hour. surely i am not the first person to want pizza, at 7 AM.