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Baldur Bjarnason

“Google confirms it just laid off around a thousand employees - The Verge”

I’d like to remind you that lay offs don’t work. The org is generally less functional, less reliable, and less profitable after a mass lay off. Lay offs are also always a symptom of exec incompetence theverge.com/2024/1/11/2403412

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Baldur Bjarnason

Don’t come at me with that “they’re actually competent because it raises stock prices” bullshit, not unless you want to get blocked or muted for spouting utter nonsense

Their job is profits AND stock prices. Both. These clowns are all utterly awful at their jobs and you people who keep saying they’re competent are providing cover for rich assholes who are so stupendously bad at their jobs that people genuinely can’t believe it’s unintentional

It isn’t. They’re clowns. You’re covering for them.

Baldur Bjarnason

I can’t believe I have to say this.

Doing something that harms your job to further your own self interest IS NOT COMPETENCE.

It’s the other thing. The opposite. Competent executives do their ruthless 3D chess without harming the operations of their organisation.

Ask yourself, why is your first instinct to cover for a bunch of rich assholes who manifestly keep screwing up at their jobs?

Baldur Bjarnason

Also, these companies are doing multiple rounds of laying off thousands of people. The effects of a mass lay offs is a completely different phenomenon from team- or department-level inefficiencies or restructuring.

Tqft

@baldur who authorized the headcount they're reducing?
The dishwasher. I didn't know what I was doing, or did it without a plan, so now you have to suffer because I am clueless.
How do they keep they're jobs?

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@baldur
I agree, I hope the people laid off can find nice jobs, it seems to be a lot at the same time. C-levels in US megacorps seem to refuse questioning their own work and dogma. Big shareholders being pension funds and other big finance players, the accountability is so diluted no one actually cares if they destroy the company as long as it is slow enough that their portfolios don't suffer.

Schroedinger

@baldur I would argue that their job is also long-term viability of the business. Which means it needs to provide the services properly.

Layoffs at this scale are the opposite of this. They are an indication that the business is failing.

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@baldur they sometimes say one developer does in a day what two can't do in a week. it's better to have less people with more skill and dedication than spend time and money that could be spent on progressing a project on organizing with more and more people who aren't helpful enough to make up for it. a lot of large companies seem to struggle to hit the right balance here.

Baldur Bjarnason

@soop Yeah, that’s generally bullshit in this context. All else being equal, for any software project large enough for two people to work on it at once, that’s just plain wrong

Also, they aren’t laying off people with less skill and dedication, they’re laying off expensive labour, who are generally the opposite, and they aren’t just laying off developers

There are literally a bunch of studies on this going back decades. Mass lay offs are extremely disruptive and leave an organisation worse off

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@baldur Fair enough. I guess I just sort of wanted to bring up that sometimes it's better to stick with less people.

I remember seeing this youtube video at some point about why companies do layoffs: youtube.com/watch?v=KCF78a2wTH

Riley S. Faelan

@soop And they like to pretend that this has to do with some sort of innate qualities of the developers.

Most of the time, the developers who go particularly slow do this because they're made to attend too many meetings, fill out too many TPS reports, and stand too many stand-ups. And the developers who go particularly fast often do this because they work for startups who can't afford all the bureaucracy yet.

@baldur

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@riley bureucracy sucks. that's basically the organizational waste of time and money i'm talking about - less organizational friction means faster and/or better work.
@baldur

Riley S. Faelan

@soop Not entirely. Bureacuracies can be a force for good. (In the traditional Chinese sense — well, the original form of it; it got enshittified quite fast — bureaucracies were about delegating decisions to people who had some specific training in making good decisions in the fields they were working in. Many countries' civil services still aim for this basic principle, with various degrees of success.) But all too often, bureaucracies get built by incompetent managers who go for the æsthetics, not the function.

@baldur

@soop Not entirely. Bureacuracies can be a force for good. (In the traditional Chinese sense — well, the original form of it; it got enshittified quite fast — bureaucracies were about delegating decisions to people who had some specific training in making good decisions in the fields they were working in. Many countries' civil services still aim for this basic principle, with various degrees of success.) But all too often, bureaucracies get built by incompetent managers who go for the æsthetics, not the function.

Aphrodite ☑️ :boost_ok:

@riley @soop @baldur

bureaucracy can work well. standardized processing. no surprises. clear criteria. rational and fair decisionmaking. serves the users of the bureaucracy.

but it can easily evolve into rules for rules’ sake, form after form after “wtf you mean I need a 17-E? policy says 17-F!” over function, a blockage, an obstacle. serves only those who control and/or hate it.

Dan Jacob

@soop @baldur you think that mass layoffs are made based on individual skill and ability?

Oh sweet summer child.

Riley S. Faelan

@baldur And once upon a time, Google used to know that.

Baldur Bjarnason

@riley Yeah, that bit definitely stings a bit.

Dan Jacob

@baldur we all know it doesn't work. The C-Suite does not care as they are increasingly divorced from the companies they ostensibly are supposed to be running.

Dan Jacob

@baldur any one of them could be fired tomorrow and would have money and resources sufficient for multiple generations.

So why should they even care whether they run their companies competently or not?

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