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HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@baldur they sometimes say one developer does in a day what two can't do in a week. it's better to have less people with more skill and dedication than spend time and money that could be spent on progressing a project on organizing with more and more people who aren't helpful enough to make up for it. a lot of large companies seem to struggle to hit the right balance here.

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Baldur Bjarnason

@soop Yeah, that’s generally bullshit in this context. All else being equal, for any software project large enough for two people to work on it at once, that’s just plain wrong

Also, they aren’t laying off people with less skill and dedication, they’re laying off expensive labour, who are generally the opposite, and they aren’t just laying off developers

There are literally a bunch of studies on this going back decades. Mass lay offs are extremely disruptive and leave an organisation worse off

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@baldur Fair enough. I guess I just sort of wanted to bring up that sometimes it's better to stick with less people.

I remember seeing this youtube video at some point about why companies do layoffs: youtube.com/watch?v=KCF78a2wTH

Riley S. Faelan

@soop And they like to pretend that this has to do with some sort of innate qualities of the developers.

Most of the time, the developers who go particularly slow do this because they're made to attend too many meetings, fill out too many TPS reports, and stand too many stand-ups. And the developers who go particularly fast often do this because they work for startups who can't afford all the bureaucracy yet.

@baldur

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@riley bureucracy sucks. that's basically the organizational waste of time and money i'm talking about - less organizational friction means faster and/or better work.
@baldur

Riley S. Faelan

@soop Not entirely. Bureacuracies can be a force for good. (In the traditional Chinese sense — well, the original form of it; it got enshittified quite fast — bureaucracies were about delegating decisions to people who had some specific training in making good decisions in the fields they were working in. Many countries' civil services still aim for this basic principle, with various degrees of success.) But all too often, bureaucracies get built by incompetent managers who go for the æsthetics, not the function.

@baldur

@soop Not entirely. Bureacuracies can be a force for good. (In the traditional Chinese sense — well, the original form of it; it got enshittified quite fast — bureaucracies were about delegating decisions to people who had some specific training in making good decisions in the fields they were working in. Many countries' civil services still aim for this basic principle, with various degrees of success.) But all too often, bureaucracies get built by incompetent managers who go for the æsthetics, not the function.

Aphrodite ☑️ :boost_ok:

@riley @soop @baldur

bureaucracy can work well. standardized processing. no surprises. clear criteria. rational and fair decisionmaking. serves the users of the bureaucracy.

but it can easily evolve into rules for rules’ sake, form after form after “wtf you mean I need a 17-E? policy says 17-F!” over function, a blockage, an obstacle. serves only those who control and/or hate it.

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@soop @baldur you think that mass layoffs are made based on individual skill and ability?

Oh sweet summer child.

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