Gregory's Server@tarajdactyl @faithisleaping @malcircuit nothing to settle for. Irc isn't gone. Libera.chat oftc.net. Set up account on free and open libera. Set up nick. Set up and register channel. Or join existing.
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@faithisleaping @tarajdactyl @malcircuit irc is for communicating in real time. Works as intended. You type. They type. No eye candy. Easy to run. Add irc bots for extra features. Like real time email except everyone on channel sees exchange. I have several channels. Libera is good. Oftc.net good. Not javascript based. Huge bonus. Very efficient to operate. When freenode tried to monetize entire userbase split to new libera overnight. Program irc bots for more features. @smxi @faithisleaping @tarajdactyl @malcircuit LOL are you for real? something like file uploads (at least images!) should be a BASIC feature, not something extra. sorry my friend, but this isn't gonna fly  @faithisleaping @smxi @tarajdactyl @malcircuit For everyone criticizing Matrix, are the problems something that can be fixed with updates to the clients or is it more like system design problems? @macberg @faithisleaping @tarajdactyl @malcircuit I love not chasing this stuff and not wasting time relearning wheel building. I'm glad to say I've never heard of matrix til this thread here since irc works to transmit text live never needed to find solution to problem that didn't exist. Email also still works well. These were well designed open protocols. For sticky data forums good. Very good. Spam bots huge issue for forum operators. Not to be underrated. Hard to do now for amateurs. @macberg I'm glad I skipped that stuff. Imagine how many bytes I've avoided sending through cables by just typing text. I find it hard to take seriously a claim that emojis and gifs are meaningful communication devices. Not too long ago those were considered kid stuff lol. People can't type anymore is my guess. Touch typing was worth learning looking back. But good thing about never using such things is being able to truly not care about them. @smxi I can't say I disagree, but if a platform/service/whatever wants a meaningful market share they have to give the masses what they want - and the masses demand animated things and graphics in their chats. And to be fair, some things are much more easily conveyed with a suiting gif (although it can also make an unbelievable mess of a large group chat, but people seem to not care). @macberg Memes, reaction GIFs etc is in some way a language itself. They can express a lot more than text smileys, which is what they compete with. You can paraphrase all that with plain text, but that makes you depend stronger on certain natural languages. Memes and GIFs are more based on shared culture than shared language.  @macberg @flauschzelle @smxi Never even heard of it. I see it's FOSS so that's great. Voice can be kind of important though, depending on the use case. Is it properly secure and fully e2e encrypted? @macberg About the security/encryption: I actually don't know, never looked into it 🤷♀️ @faithisleaping @smxi @tarajdactyl @malcircuit Oh yikes. That thing about protocol extensions sounds like a bad design choice if you're trying to create an entire network that is compatible with itself. Or at least it sounds like they made the base protocol way too bare. That's sad to hear. I'm still hoping it can be fixed though because I like the idea of matrix. @natomic Uh that's sad to hear. What a shame. I've heard about the voice integration previously and it's, yeah, sad. Seems like a such a waste! Unless they manage to fix it. I've also seen people complain about the people behind matrix but I have no idea what that's about.  @macberg @faithisleaping @smxi @tarajdactyl @malcircuit Instant messenger like groups are next to useless for getting stuff done. Need threads/topics like #Discourse and #Zulip. I've seen you can reply to a message in a thread on some Matrix clients but it's not even close to the same thing... Hopefully it improves. @faithisleaping @tarajdactyl @malcircuit irc is a protocol. It has implementations. Libera handles spam well. I see basically none and few who slip through are nuked almost instantly. It's an open protocol like http or ftp or smtp or pop3. Saying irc sucks is like saying email sucks because you don't like aols implementation of the email protocols. Irc well designed. Servers good. Tools good. Stable. @faithisleaping That’s quite client dependent. Link embed is something the client has to handle, since it’s only a presentation thing. The vast majority of the used IRC clients support Unicode, which supports emojis. Your client just needs to have an emoji picker or you need a separate emoji picker like rofimoji, it’s only text after all. |
@smxi @tarajdactyl @malcircuit Oh, IRC definitely sucks. It lacks a ton of super useful features like emojis, file upload, link embed, and the like. It's also severely lacking in moderation tools. Matrix, though, only barely solves a couple of those problems and comes with its own giant pile of pain.