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smxi

@macberg @faithisleaping @tarajdactyl @malcircuit I love not chasing this stuff and not wasting time relearning wheel building. I'm glad to say I've never heard of matrix til this thread here since irc works to transmit text live never needed to find solution to problem that didn't exist. Email also still works well. These were well designed open protocols.

For sticky data forums good. Very good. Spam bots huge issue for forum operators. Not to be underrated. Hard to do now for amateurs.

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Mac Berg

@smxi Yes well Matrix, Discord etc aren't just for text. They're for text, emojis, gifs, voice, files, and other built in features. I miss IRC, but most people don't think IRC holds up for what they expect from a modern group chat client.

smxi

@macberg I'm glad I skipped that stuff. Imagine how many bytes I've avoided sending through cables by just typing text. I find it hard to take seriously a claim that emojis and gifs are meaningful communication devices. Not too long ago those were considered kid stuff lol.

People can't type anymore is my guess. Touch typing was worth learning looking back.

But good thing about never using such things is being able to truly not care about them.

Mac Berg replied to smxi

@smxi I can't say I disagree, but if a platform/service/whatever wants a meaningful market share they have to give the masses what they want - and the masses demand animated things and graphics in their chats. And to be fair, some things are much more easily conveyed with a suiting gif (although it can also make an unbelievable mess of a large group chat, but people seem to not care).

Baŝto replied to Mac

@macberg Memes, reaction GIFs etc is in some way a language itself. They can express a lot more than text smileys, which is what they compete with. You can paraphrase all that with plain text, but that makes you depend stronger on certain natural languages. Memes and GIFs are more based on shared culture than shared language.

Simon π man ⚛️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦

@macberg @smxi IRC was an amazing decentralized technology way ahead of its time. Nothing like a net split to remind you of how tenuous your connections are.

I believe that Slack and a few other platforms are still compatible with IRC, they even have some slash commands.

Kiki

@macberg
@smxi
I don't think it can do voice or video chat on its own, but for a text-based group chat with file upload and emojis... I'm kinda surprised that no one has suggested Zulip yet.
We use Zulip as our main chat at work (remote company, so almost everything is done via chat) and I like it waaay better than Discord, Slack, Rocketchat, or Matrix.

Mac Berg replied to Kiki

@flauschzelle @smxi Never even heard of it. I see it's FOSS so that's great. Voice can be kind of important though, depending on the use case. Is it properly secure and fully e2e encrypted?

Kiki replied to Mac

@macberg
@smxi
We use BigBlueButton for daily video meetings. I think there's an integration that lets you start a videocall on some external service by clicking on a button in Zulip, but I never used that.

About the security/encryption: I actually don't know, never looked into it 🤷‍♀️
But I don't think Discord is encrypted...? So for an alternative to Discord, that shouldn't be required anyway.

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