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Thomas šŸ”­āœØ

It also sounds fantastic despite being nearly 50 years old.

Maybe every 20 years or so it needs a bit of TLC and maybe replacing some capacitors, and then itā€™s as good as new.

I doubt that your iPhone and your Sonos speaker will even work 10 years from now.

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Steven

@thomasfuchs I have a Bryston prepro paired with a Linn amp. It must be pushing 20 years old now. It sounds phenomenal. My GF wants to replace it for something that is ā€œeasier.ā€ She has no idea. lol.

Chris/XodiumRetro

@thomasfuchs this is kinda why I dislike the tech industry trying to barge into the audio industry and dictate their own terms. Felt like when the 3.5mm jack was removed it was them saying itā€™s outdated and we all just need to move on to BT.

Guess what still works after 15 years? My AKG headphones. Guess what doesnā€™t work? The BT connection between my iPod nano and my AirPods, despite them being only 5 years apart.

Audio should be timeless. But thatā€™s not ā€œcoolā€, I guess.

mos_8502 :verified:

@xodium @thomasfuchs My quarter-inch stereo Koss can headphones from the 70s work like the day they were made. Any new headphone is lucky to last a year.

Farseen

@xodium @thomasfuchs also BT doesn't have full quality duplex.

I have a slight hearing deficiency. I have tinnitus and I find the mids close to my tinnitus frequency muddy. BT duplex compression removes high end and low end of the audio leaving only the middle.

I use a separate mic and force the BT headset into half duplex AAC mode in Linux. This is not possible on windows, android or mac.

2023 and they can't figure out full duplex Opus or something. 64k x2, 128kbits ought to do it.
BT sucks.

@xodium @thomasfuchs also BT doesn't have full quality duplex.

I have a slight hearing deficiency. I have tinnitus and I find the mids close to my tinnitus frequency muddy. BT duplex compression removes high end and low end of the audio leaving only the middle.

I use a separate mic and force the BT headset into half duplex AAC mode in Linux. This is not possible on windows, android or mac.

Chris/XodiumRetro

@farseen yeah thatā€™s one of the hilarious bits to me. The pro-BT crowd said that hey, things will get better because Appleā€™s forcing it along! Guys, Bluetooth has sucked, continues to suck, and likely will always suck at this rate.

That we still have to suffer with a protocol that canā€™t walk and chew gum at the same time when 2024 is on our doorstep just feelsā€¦nuts to me.

Jonathan Hendry

@xodium @thomasfuchs

And it's not like having a headphone jack makes bluetooth not work for audio.

Chris/XodiumRetro

@jonhendry @thomasfuchs indeed. We used to have the choice! And then companies began charging us extra for shoddy dongles but the real motivator was so they could force you into buying their headphones.

Because every. Single. OEM. Who removed the jack just so conveniently had a set of BT headphones to sell you.

Sly jerks.

John Cormier

@thomasfuchs my dad had a problem a few years ago with a tube he couldnā€™t find a replacement for. I donā€™t know where he looked, but I would not have given up so easily.

Jonathan Hendry

@johncormier @thomasfuchs

I'm amazed at how many New Old Stock tubes are still out there.

Bill PleinšŸŒ¶

@thomasfuchs I have an 80s throwback (that I bought new in the mid-80s in college) that I need to re-cap. Hafler DH-500. But I have no idea where Iā€™d use it at this point. Maybe I should just build a big subwoofer around it.

Paul Horn

@bplein @thomasfuchs Old Hafler stuff is amazing.

Iā€™m listening to an Erick Satie vinyl right now through a DH-101 preamp and DH-220 amp. Sounds better than any of the more modern stuff around the house. The POOGE series regarding upgrades supposedly helps improve them even further, but these are stock kit builds from the early eighties. Dirty switches and pots are my biggest issue.

And ā€œhell yesā€ to turning that DH-500 into a monoblock sub amp. You might need a separate circuit to power it, tho šŸ˜…

@bplein @thomasfuchs Old Hafler stuff is amazing.

Iā€™m listening to an Erick Satie vinyl right now through a DH-101 preamp and DH-220 amp. Sounds better than any of the more modern stuff around the house. The POOGE series regarding upgrades supposedly helps improve them even further, but these are stock kit builds from the early eighties. Dirty switches and pots are my biggest issue.

Paul Horn

@bplein @thomasfuchs The DH-101 is a stand-in for a rebuilt Dynaco PAT 4 preamp my dad had. Itā€™s visible beneath the turntable. He paid a small fortune in the late 90s/early 2000s to Audio by Van Alstine to rebuild it with all new circuitry and jacks. It has a terrible problem with static discharge from the table, so Iā€™m using the Hafler instead until I get that sorted.

The tree is older than any other component except the Dynaco. It has writing on the bottom that says a kid in my momā€™s grade school class gave it to her in 1969.

@bplein @thomasfuchs The DH-101 is a stand-in for a rebuilt Dynaco PAT 4 preamp my dad had. Itā€™s visible beneath the turntable. He paid a small fortune in the late 90s/early 2000s to Audio by Van Alstine to rebuild it with all new circuitry and jacks. It has a terrible problem with static discharge from the table, so Iā€™m using the Hafler instead until I get that sorted.

Kai

@thomasfuchs

And probably it will turn on immediately after being connected to power. No need to wait for it to boot up.

Martin Whitaker

@thomasfuchs personally I think the late 90s / early 2000s were peak home HiFi time. The integrated class AB amplifier ICs were pretty good, there was minimal DSP manipulation going on and affordable speakers sounded OK.

It's gone downhill since as class D has become the norm and penny pinching has become extreme.

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