@mcc GNU/systemd

@mcc *mumbles something something about One Piece's Will of D*

@mcc dinky operating system

@mcc my coworkers and I joked about systemd doing exactly this

I think we're also half serious it will

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System D. System

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Dying of laughter over here. XD

@mcc This might not be so easy. Systemd assumes that it has a lot of functionality available from the kernel (related to the various kinds of containers, process groups and namespaces) that aren't present in the various BSDs, so when Gnome became increasingly dependent on systemd this presented portability problems. Your proposed project (I know, not intended seriously) probably couldn't drop that much from Linux.

@mcc I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, systemd/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, systemd plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning systemd system made useful by the systemd corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by @pid_eins

@mcc We cannot rest until systemd has a windowing system.

@mcc It seems like it is reliant on Linux and glibc extensively and they don't care to support anything else.

@mcc or SOS?

@mcc and here I am making sure all my systems run the minimum systemd I can get away with.

Today, it might include re-enabling a proper TEXT syslog. It definitely includes using competent software for the "resolved" and "timesyncd" components.

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If that name falls through, may I suggest “Eighty Microservices And Context-Switching” as a backup?

@mcc If #systemd will incorporate a #ChatGPT plugin it well become self conscious! 🥴

@mcc on a long enough timescale, code is a parasitic organism that WILL devour its host

@mcc Kernald will be written in rust.

@mcc can We could call the minimal "System System" something like MINIX!

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i've been waiting for the day i see "systemctl start vmlinuz" as the inevitable conclusion of the systemd over-reach.

@tithonium I'm good without systemd for now. i figure by the time slackware has to move init systems, something better will be along. (Like pipewire. I don't use pulse anymore, and honestly kept it off for 90% of what I used a computer for. ALSA/jack for me.)

@mcc fuck systemd aka userland.exe

@mcc tl;dr: the metamorphosis of GNU/Linux to Systemd/Linux is nearly complete.

Thanks, I hate it.

Give me SysV init or give me death.

@mcc I'm listening, go on...

@mcc call it system-osd lmeow

@mcc systemd is my kernel, emacs is my userland :blobcatsunglasses:

@mcc won't catch on

@mcc Or perhaps the name for the project should be d'Oh!

UPDATE: I have been thinking about this and concluded both the name "DOS" and its most logical alternate form, "DDOS" (D Disk Operating System) have problems. Therefore I propose that this project, were it to be exist, be named "Linuxn't", which since apostrophes aren't great in program names would most logically be stylized as "Linux NT"

@mcc the web browsers are also taking up the top end, but with little hope of them subsuming the role of the windowing system, filesystem, tcp stack.

@mcc maybe the Herd kernel? It might finally be usable?

@mcc I’m waiting for systemd-boot to go mainstream.

Yes, that’s a real thing.

@mcc beware of what you manifest…

@mcc
If you really hate systemd there are alternative distros like Devuan:
https://www.devuan.org/
I'm not a fan of systemd, but I think it's too late to go back now - too many things rely on it.
The best we can hope is that its limited as much as possible to core functionality.

@mcc "Linux? Oh, you must mean gnu/systemd."