@Gargron Exactly.

@Gargron I understand where your wife is coming from, but given the history of embrace, extend, and extinguish in the past 30 years this unfortunately strikes me as naive. I've got a bad feeling about this, but time will tell.

@Gargron

But that's for Threads, not Intagram, right?

@Gargron Good luck with that. You can bet that ultimately Meta will impose tight constraints and controls on any interactions with other platforms, especially #Mastodon posts aimed in their direction. For them, from a regulatory and legal standpoint, doing anything else wouldn't make sense, not to mention their commercial interests. I don't think most people have really thought through the implications involved in all this.

@Gargron Agreed. It's such an unusual move to have a silo open itself up to the world. Hopefully it becomes less unusual!

@Gargron
Isn't "100M followers" very close to "xxx blns of wealth" (don't get me wrong, I know this is not directly linked, but both are "out of this world" figures)?
As a consequence, are you sure that this is compatible with a caring society, underlying federated SM?

@Gargron

"Neville Chamberlain assures me that we will have peace in our time."

Unbelievably naïve given the track record of the tech giants.

@Gargron Buddy, I give you a lot of credit. The amount of hate you must get from these takes must be disheartening. ...I just want you to know that I agree with you, I can't wait! for Threads to federate.

@Gargron But wouldn’t she miss out on all the actual *Instagram* content then? And even if she would only care for Threads accounts, she will have the interoperability mismatch as explained by @lrhodes:
https://merveilles.town/@lrhodes/111585664808804371

@Gargron exactly my plan

@Gargron

Screenshot taken.

This isn't going to age well.

I don't wish you any ill will, at all, but I have this feeling it's all going to end really badly for you.

I sincerely wish you would reconsider these dangerous and harmful decisions.

@Gargron #embrace – #extend –#extinguish (EEE)

@Gargron #Meta #Boycott

Different strokes for different folks.

I've boycotted every Meta sponsored site & product for over 10 years.

I haven't noticed any #Threads activity in my timeline yet but, if there is any, I guess I'll just have to mute &/or block it. 🤷‍♂️

@Gargron the rub will be boosting posts that come from threads. Just like most people on mastodon don't like to see posts with links to Xitter, they won't want to see boosts that include twitter accounts.

@Gargron

have they said they are going to federate more than #threads? Facebook would be cool...

@Gargron Hard pass all the same, thanks.

@Gargron I try to hype Mastodon when I can to my friends on corporate social media. But they are all loathe to leave their little circles of Facebook-monitored communication, to try something new. So I wait, and hope...

@Gargron Personally I don’t have a use case for Threads/Meta connectivity and I look forward to seeing some documentation on how I might protect/distance myself from them. Hopefully it will work out for all concerned; those who want and don’t want the connectivity.

@Gargron If another Mastodon instance happily hosted LibsOfTikTok, you'd probably defederate it. This seems sort of like the end of granular moderation, as it will either come down to users having huge account blocklists (like the bad old days...) or blocking Threads altogether, either at instance or user level. Maybe the band aid needs to be ripped off sooner or later, but I don't see a great outcome anywhere on the horizon.

@Gargron

Yeah, I think it might be a good thing. It may allow me to follow friends who still are on Meta (I no longer interact with any of their sites). However, I'm a bit concerned about their "supplemental privacy policy". It sounds like they're getting ready to start tracking us here.

https://help.instagram.com/515230437301944

@Gargron

Did you all say the same about Gab and Truth Social? This is no different.

https://fossacademic.tech/2023/12/16/ThoughtsThreads.html

@Gargron your wife has over 100 million friends on Instagram?

@Gargron Good luck. They ignored and, then, blocked my ability to do that.

@Gargron

Which "ad-free, privacy-friendly platform" do you have in mind, if and when #Meta would control the majority of the users?

https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/111585528118111249

Some of my thoughts (in German):
https://hhmx.de/@nick/292371

@Gargron highly doubt that's going to happen :/

@Gargron I agree, I am not a Meta nor Musk fan...

@Gargron y a mejor.

Mis felicitaciones a todos los que hacen o hagan como su esposa.

@Gargron Eugen, I am really sorry to see you supporting that hellish move.
Thank you for Mastodon, anyway.

@Gargron I don't think we should allow Threads to federate with any Mastodon instances unless they adhere to the same standards of moderation. No Nazis, no transphobia, no MAGAs. Insta and Threads are full of fascist bastards, and if Meta doesn't kick them out, we should keep Meta away from the Fediverse.

I hope that an organization as massive as Meta adopting #ActivityPub will send a signal that pushes Tumblr and other platforms that have been considering it over the edge in doing the same. Perhaps even Bluesky would consider replacing or at least supplementing their custom protocol with the @w3c standard for interoperability.

@Gargron Facts!

@Gargron

Mastodon is dead to me. I'm gonna give it a few days and delete this crappy app.

@Gargron Don't let this internet cancer in here!
Once you let it in, you will never get rid of this plague.

Do not invite a spy into your/our home!
No matter how good behaving, a spy will be always a spy.

#FuckZuck
#FuckFacebook
#FuckMeta
#FuckThreads

@Gargron That’s exactly why Meta will never allow this to happen.

@Gargron folgt sie schon dem eichlat3r? ich brauch follis

@Gargron folgt sie schon dem eichkat3r? ich brauch follis

du könntest mir übrigens auch noch folgen

@Gargron it does and the arguments against it sound NIMBYish. isn’t the point of all this to have other things from outside connect? and if it doesn’t work out, isn’t there a way to disconnect? i’m all for social media going next level. maybe it’s naive, i don’t know all the tech behind this but i dream of not having a bunch of social media sites and still being able to reach all the content i do through google / reddit. this used to be IRC, why can’t it be something else next?

@Gargron @JamesGleick Good luck to your wife. My wife thinks this is a very bad development, and I agree.

@Gargron

But it currently does not work that way, and that is the problem.

We, those of us here on Mastodon, can see Threads, but those on Threads, cannot see us.

Meta does not see itself as joining the Fediverse, but rather the Fediverse being forced to join them.

#Fediverse #Mastodon

@Gargron Sounds great, but @mosseri has recently said Threads is working towards its users having to opt in to Fediverse visibility. To me this is a total non-starter. 99% of users are not going to do that, especially if it’s a switch hidden somewhere in the settings menu.

@Gargron remember when Facebook sent an email when you got a FB direct message, and it contained the whole text of the message, and you could reply to the message from the privacy of your email service just by replying to the email?

Then remember how they rug-pulled that feature once it had served its purpose?

If you're at the poker table and you don't know who the sucker is, you're the sucker.

@Gargron the real #JohnMastodon wouldn’t allow Meta anywhere near the fediverse. He’d melt all their servers with the power of his mind

@Gargron that’s exactly my same wish

@Gargron

#FuckMeta
#FuckThreads

@Gargron Have you had a look at Pixelfed yet? My account there never really gained traction, but didn't post enough images to make it worthwhile. That said, it's far more image-centric and fills that may fill that Instagram niche for those accustomed to it. And yes, fediverse :) https://pixelfed.org/

@Gargron I'm sure that will go better than when Google became the defacto RSS reader site then single handedly virtually killed RSS. Or Facebook and XMPP. Or Microsoft after they finally succeded in bankrupting Netscape Communications Corp and then left their own buggy, insecure browser to rot, very nearly killing the Web and driving people to desktop apps, or any of the countless other examples.

@Gargron That person X is happy about it doesn't make it a good idea.

@Gargron One cannot have a fair bargain with Devil. No matter how promising and friendly the terms may seem, we're the ones who will suffer inevitably and bitterly in the end. It's just how life on this planet works, sadly.

@Gargron un-fucking-believable. This is *exactly* the same delusional wishful thinking with which people enthusiastically welcomed Google Chat and Facebook Messenger to the XMPP federation. Do you need a refresher on how that ended?

@Gargron

When someone sends me a post link from another instance, I get a message telling me to use my instance details to login to the other instance so I can see the post, & this rarely works without logging me out of my instance & throwing up errors.

Is this what's supposed to happen in the Mastodon Fediverse, or am I missing something?

I ask because I'm struggling to see how you can connect with Thread accounts on Mastodon (or vice versa), if you don't have a presence on both?

@Gargron while she can see their posts, she won’t be able to interact with them yet, right?

@Gargron It is puzzling that you refuse to see reality: the only goal of meta is to destroy mastodon. Their business is ads and they don’t care about privacy. Meta is a monster, it will eat you alive. You will loose everything you have created. Reconsider. Or is it to late? They are already in your room, head and heart?

@Gargron glad no Spoutible I heard there Russia code website 👀

@Gargron you're right, it will change the game. Interacting with Threads will mean leakage of both ads and privacy.

@Gargron @rstockm Yes, this! I‘m quite sad that many fediverse admins don‘t see this and block Threads by default (like those of my instance). 😕

@Gargron
There is a reason I left all Meta products behind - and I don't want to have to deal with them ever again.
There is also a reason why I left mastodon.social - looks like I might have to turn my back on your little instance as well if it goes as we expect it will.

@Gargron this was yesterday. Today we discovered that federation on threads will be user-based and opt-in, so nothing grants that Instagram connections will be accessible from Mastodon. I really and sincerely respect your vision, your optimism and your positive attitude, I can see that you are full of hope and I trust you, but that company and its management is full of 💩 and shouldn’t be trusted.

@Gargron фууублядь. Лучше бомжиху ебать, чем инстаграмщицу

@Gargron ...and get to access all the hatespeech that comes from Threads, which would face mass defederation if it was a standard Mastodon server.