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Max Legroom ☕

@davidrevoy
Harvesting data: if someone’s toots are public Meta (& others) can anyway right? & if someone is not on Threads Meta can’t get more than what is posted
Poor moderation: join an instance that full blocks Threads then. That’s a selling point of the Fediverse
Manipulations: not on their service so what can they manipulate?
Nothing good from their federation: except being able to interact with the millions on Threads

Don’t get me wrong, I hate Meta but fearmongering isn’t going to help

14 Dec 2023 at 17:29 | Wall-to-wall | Open on toot.community
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David Revoy

@maxmm77 Ok, good points, but I also see this side: harvesting data, on their side they can measure behavior of their audience who interacts with our post (how long a follower scroll/read my post, interact with it). And nudge them with timeline manipulation (sorting the post inside a specific context). Poor moderation is already a thing ( I see a user complaining about too many porn bots on threads.net/@zuck/post/C0zXcQm ).
Interacting with millions on Threads: OK, this is a good thing. 1/2

14 Dec 2023 at 17:55 | Open on framapiaf.org
David Revoy

@maxmm77 2/2 About manipulation, they are also known for the "pay to win" (politics, brands, etc... pay to get more visibility). This will probably have a similar effect on user of the fediverse. Thinking the network is cheated.

14 Dec 2023 at 17:57 | Open on framapiaf.org
Max Legroom ☕

@davidrevoy Hey thanks for your response! You're right on harvesting Threads user interactions with Mastodon posts, & I'm sure their timelines will be manipulated. I hope the interaction allows Threads users to realize they don't need Meta messing with their feeds.
Poor moderation is a thing on Mastodon as well. I've seen all kinds of porn bots in random hashtags they don't belong in. The beauty is the option to de-federate is there & I hope that can also be a way to combat Meta "paying to win”

14 Dec 2023 at 18:18 | Open on toot.community
David Revoy

@maxmm77 Thank you and I agree with the defederation beauty.
Now I can also see another positive argument for this federation by the way thanks to your message: showing to their huge audience they can move to a free/libre alternative without loosing their contacts or content. That's indeed a thing to consider.

14 Dec 2023 at 18:29 | Open on framapiaf.org
degoedel
@davidrevoy @maxmm77 In my opinion, one of the most problematic things Meta could do is to influence the evolution of the Activity pub protocol once they have weight in the fediverse to suit their commercial and political goals.
14 Dec 2023 at 18:40 | Open on bdx.town
Morgane deSiv

@davidrevoy @maxmm77 If Threads actually allows migration. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweak it so that leaving Threads means starting all over again instead of keeping your contact/followers.

14 Dec 2023 at 18:48 | Open on mastodon.top
David Revoy

@morganedesiv @maxmm77 Yes, that's a fair point. I know the EU law for interoperability is for somewhere soon within the decade; and I wouldn't be surprise if this move toward the Fediverse is a test to avoid a big bill in the horizon. I also don't know if this future law will constrain them to also propose a system to move followers and profile to another server. For sure, they are expert in Deceptive Designs to make a form feels and looks difficult, a burden and risky for their users.

14 Dec 2023 at 18:56 | Open on framapiaf.org
SavedGez

@morganedesiv @davidrevoy @maxmm77 You have a good point! I'm sure Threads will not let your data out in a form that you could import into other instances.
Though they are legally required to hand out all your data if you request it from them

14 Dec 2023 at 19:27 | Open on mastodon.social
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