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Fidel Destro

Ah, I see the Wikipedia is having another pledge drive. Here's your reminder that they literally have more money than they know what to do with, and have a full-time investment manager who just looks for stuff to do with their giant pile of cash.

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Panicz Maciej Godek

@cjrando that's fine but it's also a good practice to share the source of your information along with that information

Stampeding Longhorn :budgie:

@cjrando I don't mind that, but what I do mind is them deleting articles.

Charles 𝄢 H

@StampedingLonghorn @cjrando

They deleted the list of electroacoustic composers of colour -a metadata list- because it wasn't 'noteworthy'. After demanding I dig up a bunch of research showing it was needed, which they then declared to be "original research" and therefore unsuitable. They took up every spare second I had for several days in a row, then trashed my contribution the moment they had a majority.

The discussion was like a like a check list for white supremacy culture.

(Anyway, other very noteworthy lists they keep are "people born in 1971" who are obviously all musically tied to each other in the way they demanded I prove.)

@StampedingLonghorn @cjrando

They deleted the list of electroacoustic composers of colour -a metadata list- because it wasn't 'noteworthy'. After demanding I dig up a bunch of research showing it was needed, which they then declared to be "original research" and therefore unsuitable. They took up every spare second I had for several days in a row, then trashed my contribution the moment they had a majority.

Charles 𝄢 H

@ppxl @StampedingLonghorn @cjrando

For years, I was the odd one out, telling students it was often a good place to start research.

But where, say, the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians often falls short of its goals, it does, institutionally, wish to work to be better. Wikipedia has given itself over to those who have an ideological drive to make it worse.

Grove has downsides to be sure, but its editors are overseen by people who actually understand the subject and its actually a citable source. I wish it was open access for full text, but its where I'll steer students in future.

@ppxl @StampedingLonghorn @cjrando

For years, I was the odd one out, telling students it was often a good place to start research.

But where, say, the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians often falls short of its goals, it does, institutionally, wish to work to be better. Wikipedia has given itself over to those who have an ideological drive to make it worse.

aismallard (relocated!)

@StampedingLonghorn @cjrando I don't mean to "but actually", though it is worth noting that the WMF and its governance is totally different from things like deletions which are community-run. There are definitely issues with how notability and such is applied, for sure, but that's unrelated to the giant pot or gold.

Josh Justice

@cjrando could you share the link that screenshot is taken from?

Nathan Byrd

@CodingItWrong @cjrando probably from here: wikimediafoundation.org/news/2 - I think there may be other parts of the article that didn’t fit OPs narrative. I’m glad they shared though, this helps me feel a little better about Wikimedia’s future, as a (small) donor myself I’m glad my donations have gone to further improve something that is likely to be around for a long time.

Santiago Lema :amiga:

@CodingItWrong @cjrando I find this to be good news too. Wikipedia seems to be one of the remaining non shittyfied essential services so I am glad they have some reserves.

Stegosaurus

@cjrando Is that a bad thing? Looks like they qant to become self funded. For that to work you need a huge pile of cash.

Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️

@cjrando I'll give them money when they do something about their platform being controlled by a racist and transphobic rightwing mob.

Lucas Gonze

@cjrando Wikipedia is the internet at its best. I don't begrudge them a few bucks here and there. The more stuff they make, the better the world is.

Bible Black Belt

@cjrando There's a certain irony in the fact that a Libertarian ends up getting one of the only sites on the internet that isn't running at a loss due primarily to ebegging like one of us poor queers who needs health care.

Mirre :mastocheck:

@cjrando ok maybe i just dont know enough about how things work but… how can you be non-profit and gain hundreds of millions of dollars?

Alastair Temple

@foervraengd @cjrando for all sorts of reasons. Non-profit simply means that profit isn't the driving motive behind whatever you do (along with various rules about governance and ownership, e.g. can't have shareholders you pay dividends to). It is still sensible to build and maintain cash reserves to support anything like unexpected costs for equipment/infrastructure/legal defense etc. The Wikimedia Endowment Fun this discusses provides grants to support other projects.

Athena

@foervraengd "Nonprofit" is a misnomer .. it really means "not for private profit." It's just a tax status that means any profits are supposed to serve a social good and not go to executives etc. Still lots of room for abuse of their supposed function 😑

DaveBarnes

@cjrando
Thanks for pointing this out. We will not be giving our usual $1000 USD next year.

Mike. he/him. 🇨🇦

@cjrando I gave them money many years ago and they won't stop screaming at me for more

Old Hippie

@cjrando I don't mind them building up their cash, some of which I gave them. They are generally a fine organization afaik. Also, it's very difficult to make much on money nowadays without being speculative so they need a big amount.

Jim

@cjrando This is also very common at universities. They complain about funding, when sitting on stacks of money that they don't want to spend money on.

Fidel Destro

@sullybiker I occasionally comment that our major universities have become hedge funds that happen to do a little education as a side hustle.

Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold

@cjrando I'm fine with Wikimedia having and making money. Insinuating that non-profits need to be cash strapped is and that it is somehow a problem when they have a lot of money to work with feels quite toxic. As far as I can tell the money is used in a good way, helps further their mission of free knowledge. So I think it's a win.

aismallard (relocated!)

@cjrando Other FOSS/open media projects meed the money more than the WMF does, yeah

Fidel Destro

@aismallard Yeah, that's more or less my feeling. They're wildly successful at fund raising, and the pledge drives show no signs of slowing. And frankly, I don't think excess is a good thing, wherever it ends up.

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