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Eugen Rochko

"AI" is really the new "blockchain" in how every company is trying to hit the buzzword bingo with it right now.

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Kev

@Gargron AI is around to stay tho. It's amazing how quickly "blockchain" just vanished.

Like Game of Thrones after the finale. **Poof**

Kai Klostermann

@alisca @Gargron It still makes me laugh how NFTs were "surely 100% no doubt" the most disruptive thing since smartphones. 😂

PepeLePew

@alisca @Gargron Blockchains are still a very big thing in database architecture

Kev

@haaflife @Gargron sure but nobody gives a fuck anymore and they're doing nothing to leverage societal change.

Applications abound but nobody is buying t-shirts or getting tattoos anymore.

Ok. I have a small SHA-256 sig tattoo and a tux covered in PoW tokens but I'm weird like that

👌🏻

Jan

@Gargron mastodon.ai is for sale! LOL

stux⚡

@Gargron AI is rolling out it's Blockchain in the crypto clouds :blobcatgiggle:

DJGummikuh

@Gargron
So far, in every ad that had 'AI' in it, I replaced it with 'intransparent surveillance desaster' and the ad still made a terrible amount of sense 😅

Florian 'floe' Echtler

@Gargron unsurprisingly, people need a new usecase for the truckload of Nvidia cards they bought 🤷

sam henri gold

@Gargron I’m still Facebook friends with a kid from my high school that was big into hocking NFTs and crypto a couple summers ago. Now he’s selling “ChatGPT consulting sessions”. I don’t wanna call anyone a charlatan, but…

sam henri gold

@Gargron (I think it’s just the Gen Z version of selling Herbalife pyramid scheme products)

YurkshireLad

@samhenrigold @Gargron I’m sure we’ll soon see ChatGPT life coaches posting like crazy on LinkedIn soon.

Григорий Клюшников

sam henri gold, clearly he's doing it to recoup his losses from the NFT bubble going bust

gudenau

@Gargron At least it's less inherently harmful.

Eugen Rochko

We already had something that turned text prompts into art, it was called paying an artist.

Ann Effes

@0 @Gargron

Lost in jargon:
tbh?

(normaly "to be honest" - does not seem to make an awful lot of sense here... so what does it mean?)

godot.community 🚀

@Ann_Effes @Gargron "This tbh" 🥳 It means you are superly agreeing with something

Ann Effes

@0 @Gargron

Okay, got the meaning, but what does "tbh" stands for literally then - I mean: "truth be hold", "tenfold bigger honesty" or "thats bexactly hright"... (LOL)

Rook

@Ann_Effes The literal meaning of "tbh" in "this tbh" is still "to be honest," but this usage is meant to emphasize agreement.

Ann Effes

@amateur_ninja Okay.
I guess I will not adopt that then.

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@Ann_Effes @amateur_ninja
Me neither.

Every time someone says "to be honest," I cringe and really hope I haven't been told all lies up to this very moment, when truth-telling became necessary to somehow being emphasized.😉

Greg Stolze

@Gargron People hate artists though.

Individuals love specific artists, and society loves art, culture, entertainment...

But at some point as it scales, the collective agrees to treat artists like absolute dogshit.

Perhaps it's because creators evoke strong emotions, and we naturally dislike more stuff than we like...

Lightning Bjornsson
@Gargron This was also more environmentally friendly. Even if the artist used Mastodon.
Underten Over

@Gargron ai isn't art. it's a glorified bar trick.

re-curse

@Gargron just like we hire an orchestra every time we'd like to listen to some music.

Eugen Rochko

@infiniterecursion You don't hire an orchestra to create new music. You hire a composer.

Nic

@infiniterecursion @Gargron you hire an artist to MAKE art. You don’t have to pay to VIEW art. You’d only hire a musician if you wanted a custom song.

Andreas K

@Gargron You do realize, that from the perspective of a rentier capitalist, that old model had a very big problem, called “artist” that wanted to be paid?

Kit Rhett Aultman

@yacc143 @Gargron true, but with Amazon exploring the need for their own nuclear reactors to power ML training, I do wonder how much one "pays" the ML.

System Adminihater

@Gargron and we already had a way to host apps on the Internet, but AWS still killed thousands of companies for no actual productivity gain.

Kirk 🐦👋🐘

@Gargron I'm fed up with reading these luddite criticisms based on nothing, you are 30 years old, you are no longer a child even if you reason as if you were.

Niklas

@Gargron they played us for absolute fools

Mr. E. Grey Seale

@Gargron so gig workers are what you support? Artist need more support than a possible future commercial transaction.

hambier

@Gargron I get your point. But: computer was once a term for a person that computes... I'd say there have always been such side effects of technological evolution. That change (replacing/automating human jobs) shouldn't be too abrupt though.

apgarcia

@Gargron I paid an artist something like $500 to illustrate a D&D character once. That's expensive!

Oliver Busch

@Gargron I find it quite amusing that there are now so many ML-generated images, that image-generation ML models are now trained partly with ML-generated images.
Digital incest, kinda.

Ellie

@Gargron I really like the feature where the same prompt can be handed to multiple artists in parallel, and the resulting works can be hung adjacent to each other for everyone to enjoy the juxtaposition of styles and interpretation.

Ofilafoo

@Gargron Unlike blockchain, which I deemed irrelevant for most use cases, I see genuine potential in AI, especially in professional contexts. It's crucial to distinguish between hype and genuine applicability.

daniel (taco) 🌮

@Gargron I'm personally waiting for the dot-com-esque AI bubble to come crashing down with baited breath

Open Risk

@Gargron There are similarities in people's lemming behavior but also important substance differences that are good for the #opensource community to keep in mind.

Blockchain architectures typically target problems that could be solved with slightly less decentralized / automated designs if people really wanted to.

In contrast, "AI" is a class of useful algorithms (LLM) cleverly packaged to be seen as something magical. But they already solve something fairly practical, its not 100% hype.

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@Gargron every product is being turned into that automated support chat widget no one uses and i hate it

Mat Gadd

@Gargron not just hit the buzzwords though, the places I speak to are genuinely trying to find fitting scenarios where they can integrate AI. That said, I think the main driver is because of investors heavily favouring AI stuff, which is never the right driver for product development. 😢

David Jayatillake

@Gargron @thisismissem except not every company joined the web3 blockchain trend… noone is particularly skeptical about the value of AI

Emelia 👸🏻

@jayatid @Gargron enough did to make it a trend. And also, folks are absolutely skeptical about the value of "AI" because the results they've seen are garbage & most of these unique AI applications just don't work as expected.

David Jayatillake

@thisismissem @Gargron I think some people expected magic from AI but many understand it will still require engineering to build something good. Most AI applications are thin wrappers today.

Still early days in LLM capabilities and techniques.

Every CEO is talking about using AI internally or in their product. At least 100x more than were interested in the previous trend.

Emelia 👸🏻

@jayatid yeah, but so far AI has just been a catch-phrase trend, some companies employing "AI" for investor dollars, were recently found out just to be using poorly paid labour from less economically strong parts of the world.

Most “AI" that's being spoken of now is just simplistic machine learning models or database queries, not, y'known Artificial Intelligence. It's a trend, and there's a lot of bull and snake oil out there.

Charlie Stross

@Gargron And the default assumption should now be that any company talking about "AI" is as (dis-)honest as Sam Bankman-Fried.

S. Lott

@cstross @Gargron Everything involving software has to be judged against snake-oil and mountebankery. Almost all “move fast and break things” big ideas are little more than venture-capital money pits.

(The reason? Cutting corporate taxes cut the need for well-funded R&D. Leaving us with stock buy-backs and a flock of amateur cranks and crackpots telling stories to rich friends.)

Mike Olson

@Gargron I was thinking exactly that yesterday, driving on Highway 80 through downtown San Francisco.

The billboards along there are a spotlight on Silicon Valley's psyche. For a while it was all about cloud, then data, then blockchain, then weed delivery. Right now it's AI alley.

That piece of freeway is an up-to-the-minute news bulletin on what the VCs are funding.

Ted

@Gargron
I work in municipal government. Every spam email I get at my work account is from some shitty tech company who says they already have AI products to staff local government.

Uriel Fanelli

@Gargron well, companies like splunk or dynatrace are making great products for operation departments, using this. I would say, the blockchain was much worst.

Erik Jonker

@Gargron Blockchain was a hype but AI is different in many ways, for example that people can and do use it massively (ChatGPT etc.)

Faye

@ErikJonker @Gargron It does have a more general interactive response, but does it make it less of a hype? Look, I agree that there is an interesting functional element to using adaptive statistical algorithms combined with recognition routines and large databases. However, exactly the part where this general interaction takes place, it’s nothing more than the magic of it rendering revenue for the owners. Especially for generating content/narratives/products it’s BS based on stolen goods/ideas.

Henri

@Gargron Apple doesn't. Well, they just use a different word for it (ML).

Voran4ik

@Gargron Некоторые уже это сделали. Как вам результат ребят из университета, кажется более 1000% на фондовой бирже на короткий промежуток времени.

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@Gargron Unlike Blockchain it has a real role to play. It will be managing our affairs long after the collapse of crypto.

Григорий Клюшников

I'm surprised no one combined the two yet

Es 🇺🇦 angerichtet

@Gargron Claiming the term "AI coin"

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(googles)

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Shit, some idiot was faster than me.

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@Gargron

Any llm trained without full, overt, and separate consent is theft

Stu

@Gargron Awaiting Long Blockchain Corp's pivot to AI.

The Global Citizen

@Gargron And just like bingo, not everyone yelling "AI" has a winning card. It's not about the buzzword, it's about the genuine innovation behind it. 🤖

johne

@Gargron just an ad for an LG washing machine with an “AI” setting. Last year that would have been labelled Auto.

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@Gargron both are cool, both are overhyped in their present state, both have capitalist overlords drooling, both have emotionless cringelords as their spokespeaple/idols, both should be heavily regulated, both can be leveraged by individuals/communities for good things, both can never replace artists or individuals but can augment abilities and/or make up for a lack of ability in one/more areas, ...

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@Gargron as overwhelmingly drowned in Tech-Aid as all the fAInboys are, writing ai and blockchain off entirely seems equally as off-base about the present/future as those saying AI can already replace {x, y, z}

Tom Whild

@Gargron we really need to leverage AI on the blockchain as part of our B2B. SAAS solution. In the cloud. Or something

Louis Couture :quebec: 🇵🇸🕊️🇮🇱

@Gargron it's all statistics. That's literally what it is
I'm having a class in AI this semester.

DELETED

@Gargron its a dying fad. In reality, its just a thin veneer put up over the cruel machine of capitalism to make it seem trendy and hip to be exploited. You thought the blockchain died a miserable death being the pyramid scheme of useless tech, watch how hard AI falls, especially in this economy.

bernardo_olafson

@Gargron although a hype it has definitely more substance than blockchain ever had.

Luna Lactea

@Gargron I'm waiting for "ai powered blockchain cryptocurrency" (please happen I really want to see the robot running it randomly decide to donate 100% of the techbros' money to a random guy in Pennsylvania or something)

DELETED

@Gargron And rebrand services they already provide as “AI.” Feedly was one and all several on here were like “boycott Feedly, they’ll help snuff out labor strikes!” Not realizing most large companies and organizations have security that monitors situations around the world to try and keep their employees and assets safe. Or that Feedly already did that service long before it called it “AI.”

Urzl

@Gargron I do programming at a health insurer and members of my team had great ideas about portability and data integrity based on using blockchain in claims processing.

Those seem to have evaporated, there's no institutional interest in it. AI, and the prospect of it replacing *us* is very exciting for the executive folks. I haven't quite figured out why though, since none of the LLM stuff seems to be getting any more accurate at referring to reality.

🌊 Tempest :therian: 🐉

@Gargron Blame the moronic venture capitalists that salivate over buzzwords like this. Proof that smarts doesn't equal wealth.

byteorder

@Gargron What do both have in common? They are both solutions looking for a problem. #AI #MisnomerOfTheCentury

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@Gargron like dr. gilbert ryle, i do not agree that it is like "buzzword bingo" (i.e., "merely an assemblage of particular mistakes" or "buzzwords") but rather "one big mistake"; namely, a category-mistake, which is still a workable critique as more recent expositors of ryle's work have noted.


(2) THE ABSURDITY OF THE OFFICIAL DOCTRINE
Such in outline is the official theory. I shall often speak of it, with deliberate abusiveness, as ‘the dogma of the Ghost in the Machine’. I hope to prove that it is entirely false, and false not in detail but in principle. It is not merely an assemblage of particular mistakes. It is one big mistake and a
mistake of a special kind. It is, namely, a category-mistake. It represents the facts of mental life as if they belonged to one logical type or category (or range of types or categories), when they actually belong to another. The dogma is therefore a philosopher’s myth. In attempting to explode the myth I shall probably be taken to be denying well-known facts about the mental life of human beings, and my plea that I aim at doing nothing more than rectify the logic of mental-conduct concepts will probably be disallowed as mere subterfuge.
I must first indicate what is meant by the phrase ‘Category-mistake’. This I do in a series of illustrations.
A foreigner visiting Oxford or Cambridge for the first time is shown a number of colleges, libraries, playing fields, museums, scientific departments and administrative offices. He then asks ‘But where is the University? I have seen where the members of the Colleges live, where the Registrar works, where the scientists experiment and the rest. But I have not yet seen the University in which reside and work the members of your University.’ It has then to be explained to him that the University is not another collateral institution, some ulterior counterpart to the colleges, laboratories and offices which he has seen. The University is just the way in which all that he has already seen is organized. When they are seen and when their co-ordination is understood, the University has been seen. His mistake lay in his innocent assumption that it was correct to speak of Christ Church, the Bodleian Library, the Ashmolean Museum and the University, to speak, that is, as if ‘the University’ stood for an extra member of the class of which these other units are members. He was mistakenly allocating the University to the same category as that to which the other institutions belong.
THE CONCEPT OF MIND
Gilbert Ryle
Teop Versant

@Gargron Sounds like AI is a corporate revolution, which if won would result in employee diminution, which has not been entirely successful-to date..

Ted Spence

@Gargron I'm really eager for the VCs to move on to the next big thing so we can get back to using AI for appropriate use cases rather than jamming it into everything we do

Phil Rees

@Gargron Just like the blockchain it consumes an immense amount of energy and computing resources at a time when climate change is an existential threat.

W6KME

@Gargron My money is still tied up in cloud-based nanoparticles.

Cameron

@Gargron Well their "How can we milk more money out of consumers?" blockchain plan didn't work out, so now they are working on the AI powered "How can we fire more of our staff?" plan.

Quiet Lurker

@Gargron It should be everyone’s job to make it a toxic buzzword like all those that came before. We can NFT this bitch.

Mullaney

@Gargron except there are an incredible array of actually useful things that can be done with machine learning, and virtually nothing useful that is done on the blockchain (yet).

DanDan420

@Gargron AI is also the new crypto in how it elicits a knee-jeek reaction in people who hear the term.

Nate Tharp

@Gargron And it’s being covered by journalists through the same panacea lens. We’ve learned nothing.

James

@Gargron At work, we're getting pressure to 'use more ai' and 'do something innovative with ai'. Turns out all our clients are asking about it, and we're being regarded as not as good as competitors because we're 'not using ai', so we're just supposed to shoehorn it in somehow.

We're actually using machine learning in several areas, but apparently ai now means chatbots and generative art.

Sérgio Machado

@Gargron AI is a tool that is not too different from the earlier models. More cpu/gpu power. A big data mining available for the big private collectors such as meta, ms, alphabet etc. it’s useful and important but not how is being told and sell … but it’s interesting i/o refined to generate a program :)

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