Gregory's Server@davidzipper Yes they should be liable. I don't really like the idea of self-driving cars anyway. Seems very very unsafe.
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@ClickyMcTicker @davidzipper I'm someone who walks everywhere. I hate cars. I think they destroy the environment due to the need for roads and parking lots.  @hamlin81 @ClickyMcTicker @davidzipper They also destroy our cities, since they're fully designed for cars and their needs (mainly circulation) and not for people. I think Consumer Reports has it right with their criticism of Autopilot. They have always been critical of Tesla for not including a feature for ensuring the driver is paying attention, like Ford and GM have. That said, I would really like for NHTSA to do a real thorough study on handsfree driving safety. My bet would be that they would find that GM and Ford are safer than humans and Tesla (and others) are less safe. @1dalm @davidzipper Well. I can admit that. Auto pilot is probably safer than humans. I never understood the logic of just giving ANYONE a metal death trap and letting them just ram it into whoever they want due to negligence. I see all kinds of people on their phones while driving. It's disturbing. Some fucker almost hit me yesterday while I was walking on the sidewalk. He wasn't paying attention to pedestrians. A quick google search seems to give mixed results on Tesla's safety record. Tesla, of course, brags about the system's safety, but other sources seriously call that into question. I don't see the similar critiques for Ford and GM, despite both companies having 100,000s of vehicles on the road with active driver assist features. I have a Mustang Mach E that is my daily driver that has Blue Cruise, which I use every day. (FYI, Ford's BlueCruise can only be used on mapped highways. You can't turn it on on regular streets which also probably significantly help improve the safety of their system over Tesla's.) @hamlin81 @1dalm @davidzipper from what Iβve read autopilot requires human intervention on an average of every 5000 miles to prevent an accident. People believing the hype are more likely to fail to intervene hence more accidents. Some are minor, some are fatal. Time to stop the hype and report on facts IMO I haven't driven a Tesla, but my Ford watches my eyes. If I look away for more than a few seconds (to find a podcast or something) it buzzes at me. (It actually buzzes at me quite a lot. It's made me a lot more aware of how often I actually lose focus on the road.) |
@hamlin81 @davidzipper I donβt really like the idea of self-driving people, either. Seems very very unsafe. Canβt wait for the day that we have logs showing exactly why a collision occurred and the ability to prevent it from happening again.
Perhaps one day we can get rid of private ownership of cars such that parking inside cities no longer exists because itβs no longer needed. A car can take you where you need to go then drive somebody else.