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@matzipan Not sure you read the whole thread. Anyone who is well informed & does not consider #paypal shit is likely a piece of shit themselves. By “informed”, I mean being aware of these damning facts: https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/paypal.md Most people are either uninformed, or unwilling to let ethics get in their way. OSM needs to become informed about Paypal. 16 comments
 @simon @batalanto @matzipan @BrianSmith950 This is false. If it weren't for PayPal, OSMF would still be able to have payments processed via their bank or bitcoin. Here's a link to the documentation showing this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Donations  @adam @batalanto @matzipan @BrianSmith950 there are things like credit cards that many many people prefer to use for such payments, and not supporting that would immediately eliminate a large number of potential donors. @batalanto @simon @adam @BrianSmith950 it has its advantages. I prefer paying by paypal instead of card because at least my card details can't be stolen. Happened to me before and it was very inconvenient. That I have to put up with privacy invasion because of this just shows that we don't have any strong European competitors to paypal 😓 @batalanto @mnalis @batalanto @adam @matzipan @BrianSmith950 while the initial version of the support.. page had a link to the payment options it was very easy to miss. @simon @BrianSmith950 @matzipan @adam @mnalis Indeed when I made that comment it was before the donations page evolved. The cryptocurrency option was not mentioned on either of the two donation pages at that moment. It was added later. @matzipan I used Paypal before they locked my account & kept the money -- before I became broadly aware of Paypal’s wrongdoing. w.r.t checks, what do you do in Europe if you want to pay someone who does not have a bank account? A check covers that situation. Cash is better, but because of the #warOnCash Belgium, France, & Spain have outlawed cash transactions above a certain amount. @matzipan I agree checks are rare in Europe but there are a number of factors that drive people to be unbanked which makes checks more important. @matzipan @batalanto @BrianSmith950 @simon @adam that is a good point and I would see both paypal locking people out and banks not supporting web or non-googlefied smartphones as topics for another digital banking reform in the EU. @batalanto @BrianSmith950 @simon @adam I just don't. This problem does not for me for sums that cannot be managed by some cash. @batalanto @BrianSmith950 @simon @adam I think qualifying so many people (including myself) as pieces of shit is probably not nice thing to do and maybe you need to reconsider your approach. |
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@batalanto @matzipan @BrianSmith950 @adam the point is without paypal the OSMF would be without a payment processor, nobody has any illusions about the company as such, using them is simply a practicality.