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@batalanto
Here in Australia cheques are being phased out all together, I haven't used one in about 15 years... they are just not used. Bank transfers are now instantaneous, interbank and fee less.

The Fed is the US has just launched a new fast payment system.

edition.cnn.com/2023/07/20/eco

I dont know why they just don't use fee free crypto as well eg Nano, assuming they have access to an exchange to swap to Euro ? That's the entire point of crypto, to solve these shennagians.

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@largess
Interesting that they are instantaneous. The US & Europe would never have that. They want to snoop & nanny the transactions & be able to intervene. That lag is mostly a burden on the people but it does have an upside: if criminals convince grandma to send money to their money mule, it can at least be stopped while the money is in limbo.
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@batalanto

In the Netherlands they are instantaneous and have been for a few years. Within the same bank it has been instantaneous forever

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@531095 Surely it depends on the bank. In Belgium for example, most cheap or gratis accounts impose a ~2—3 day lag on transfers. You generally must pay an extra fee for expedition (or bank at KBC, or subscribe to a higher tier premium contract). The banks earn interest while the money sits in limbo & they want compensation if they give that up.

And even then I don’t think the expedited service is instantaneous because that would make it impossible to intervene in a transfer. As I understand it, you’re only guaranteed rapid payments hit the same day they are sent. A human still has to be in the loop to approve or decline the transfer. I don’t see how the expressline could bypass the human (which would be necessary for instantaneous movement).

Also note there is a downside to the expedited SEPA transfers: you cannot transfer more than €15k. IIUC, that’s an EU rule. Not sure if it’s per day or per week.

Thus there are situations where the slow transfer serves you better. And in the case of KBC, the transfer form does not even give you the option of a slow transfer. You probably have to make an appointment to have it sent manually if you have more than 15k to send.

@531095 Surely it depends on the bank. In Belgium for example, most cheap or gratis accounts impose a ~2—3 day lag on transfers. You generally must pay an extra fee for expedition (or bank at KBC, or subscribe to a higher tier premium contract). The banks earn interest while the money sits in limbo & they want compensation if they give that up.

Sebastian Elisa

@batalanto @largess @simon @adam Answered to the wrong part of the thread before so here again)

In Austria you can't use cheques at all, since all (all, not "all major" or something like that) banks stopped accepting them some years ago.

And there are some free bank accounts by more or less trusted banks (N26 e.g.) that let you do free SEPA instant transfers

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@deadda7a @largess Thanks for the info.. that’s quite interesting. I’m a bit skeptical that you can do a SEPA transfer outside of SEPA. I guess it’s not SEPA end to end. Is it perhaps a case where an Australian bank has an account in a place like Germany, and they send & receive money on your behalf within SEPA & put your Australian acct# in a memo field to associate it to you?

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@largess @deadda7a If I want to receive money in the US from the SEPA, I can’t simply give an IBAN № to the payer because there is no way for my individual account to have an IBAN number. I give the IBAN of my bank’s intermediary & must also instruct the sender to put my bank name & my acct# in the comment/memo field so the money can get routed after it lands on the bank’s own acct.

Sebastian Elisa

@batalanto @largess Austria, not Australia 😅 The one next to Germany with the Alps, no kangooros

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@deadda7a @largess Ah, speed reading problem. largess referred to Australia so that’s where my head was.. with the kangeroos.

Sebastian Elisa replied to Contradiction

@batalanto @largess We had one wild one actually (escaped from a circus or something and roamed in the woods), but it was run over by a car like two years ago :(

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