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aeva
the way things are going now the problem is just going to get worse and then cloudflare will decide to cut out the middle man and introduce their special cloudflare web browser and then all of the chrome and chrome-fork die-hards will switch to that because finally we'll have a real contender to destroying the open web and privacy as we know it
Mira Mechtley
@aeva firefox and mastodon and things like them are just so weird though. it's like i start to use them but i can't figure out which tech daddy i'm supposed to worship and ask to please step on me. 
Luna Lactea
Emma Builds 🚀
@aeva it's the 'shirley' problem, as Alexandra Erin calls the just-world-falacy. "Surely Chrome won't harm me, a white cis-man, as Google would never harm a white cis-man."
David Frank
@aeva like Twitter / Reddit, you can’t convince people who willingly chose to stay to change. And I understand why people chose Chrome despite everything, it is already too late for them to fight it.
David Frank
@aeva there are enough sites that break in other browsers: enough to be an obstacle for change. And then there are extensions that people use that’s difficult to replace. And then there are convenience that Chrome offers other browsers didn’t. It all adds up. FREE is the bare minimum for change these days.
Luna :circleA:
@bitinn Lol, what? What convenience features or extensions does Chrome have that Firefox doesn't? What sites does the average person use that don't work on Firefox? It feels like most Chrome users just assume Firefox is a barely working browser without ever using it
Luna :circleA:
@tev Interesting, probably not something necessary for most considering it's the first time I've heard of a Snapchat web app existing, but Firefox does support it with a user agent switch. Apparently Snapchat even restricted Safari for no reason, they just like to discriminate against people that don't use US monopolist software, I'm sure their users are used to that by now considering how bad the Android app is
Luna :circleA: replied to DELETED
@vixencore @tev It does seem like the only people still using Snapchat are high school neurotypicals
Mat
@luna @bitinn I've been using Firefox for years, but I can't say I don't miss tab groups. There's some extensions that sort of have the feature but none match Chromium's much easier interface imo. 
Ozzie D, NP-hard :bikepump: :vegan:
@allpurposemat @luna @bitinn I run FF and Chrome side-by-side at work. Except for the Google suite, Firefox is faster and more stable than Chrome. I don't get why more people don't dump Chrome just due to it's shitty basic ctl-tab functionality. The Firefox behavior (cycle thru tabs in last-accessed order) is so much better, and matches what every OS I use does when switching apps. I tried several Chrome extensions that graft on this feature, but all were clunky.
Mat
@ozdreaming I agree and much prefer Firefox's behavior in most cases. However, it's hard to justify for non-tech people why they should be dual booting browsers instead of using the one that always works with minor "inconveniences". That said, my family are all dual booting w/ Chromium, which shows it's possible, though I sadly expect we're a minority.
Erlend
@aeva @bitinn... I just wish it was "more better"... I begrudgingly use Firefox - but I don't like it. 😅 Like, why can't they ship things like vertical tabs? Or at least a way to turn off the horizontal ones so the extensions work properly? 😔 
Mike J👹🐀 🤘🏻
@aeva Sort of like getting vaccinated. Free. Takes 5 minutes. Stops you from dying. Massive protests against it.
Peter Goulborn
@aeva I guess there's possibly some hope to cling on to, since we've been here before and things did eventually change
Mx. Luna Corbden
@aeva I know you’ve muted this, but I’ve been wanting to switch (from Brave, which I didn’t realize was Chrome when I switched to it) for most of this year, but I’m disabled and my dad died and my mom is sick and my son is also disabled and I’ve got burnout and constant chronic pain and simply *can’t* do this or any of the other dire data hygiene building up. It’s all I can do just to survive. |
It's funny because the browser monoculture problem is like one of the few points in life where you can just change a personal preference and make an actual change in the world. It's like if voting with your dollar actually worked, or if switching to plastic straws actually stopped climate change. In the end though we're all gonna die because even something as simple and easy as this is just a bridge too far for people.