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Maartje

DB-ÖBB has announced a Paris-Brussels to Berlin and Vienna via Frankfurt from this December. Early timetables indicate alternating service in days between European Sleeper (who goes via Amsterdam) however plans are to make it daily.

I can only be happy for more night trains in Belgium after having none for decades 😍

5 Sep 2023 at 19:43 | Open on blahaj.social
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Maartje
Spring Breakdown :jo:

@maartje So that's where Arriva's budget has been getting diverted to lately... /joke :blobnervous2:

5 Sep 2023 at 19:49 | Open on social.diskseven.com
Maartje

@Jo
2015 DB: come pick up our night trains for “free” we hate them, ÖBB take it away

2023 DB: we invest in the future and invest in Nightjet!

5 Sep 2023 at 19:53 | Open on blahaj.social
rugk

@maartje @Jo but they use new nightjet's? At least they write 2023/24 they get new ones on some routes and that sounds promising… wonder how they will be.

5 Sep 2023 at 21:38 | Open on chaos.social
Maartje

@rugk @Jo those are on Austria-Germany routes pending Italy approval. No approval to Belgium/France

6 Sep 2023 at 5:11 | Open on blahaj.social
Maartje

For European Sleeper this puts pressure on the Prague extension (the original route plan) and the Barcelona route.

Let’s also not forget Amsterdam-Berlin is also a huge market.

One weird advantage: the Nightjets in Belgium take the HSL, which means they need approval for their carriages so the part to Brussels is kina small. With first delivery of the new NJs for Germany they hopefully can use that 200kmh stock. However ES does no high speed lines (yet, Barcelona will) so easier to find stock

5 Sep 2023 at 19:51 | Open on blahaj.social
Maartje

6 days per week Brussels will get a connection to Berlin and 3 days per week to Vienna!

5 Sep 2023 at 20:07 | Open on blahaj.social
JeDi :streikfrosch: :trans_br:
Maartje

@JeDi from all info i can getter now yes

5 Sep 2023 at 20:12 | Open on blahaj.social
JeDi :streikfrosch: :trans_br:

@maartje I hope it, but I‘m not sure that ES and ÖBB real ride on different days…

5 Sep 2023 at 20:15 | Open on zug.network
Maartje

@JeDi right now they depart next to eachother, but seems they will change that

5 Sep 2023 at 20:16 | Open on blahaj.social
Maartje

spravazeleznic.cz/documents/50

The ES Praha extension is getting real btw it is already timetabled 😊

Chech timetable mentioning ES452 18:05 departure
5 Sep 2023 at 20:11 | Open on blahaj.social
Completely Normal Hausdorff Antonia :verified:

@maartje@blahaj.social And I'm positively surprised that they found a solution that doesn't destroy other long-distance.

5 Sep 2023 at 20:13 | Open on estrogen.network
Jan Adriaenssens

@maartje Isn’t there already a NightJet three days per week Brussels–Vienna?

5 Sep 2023 at 20:13 | Open on mastodon.social
Maartje

@verbeeld yeah they switch days to alternate with ES so one day NJ Vienna/Berlin (splitted in DE) one day ES via Amsterdam

5 Sep 2023 at 20:14 | Open on blahaj.social
Jan Adriaenssens

@maartje These NightJets won’t stop in Antwerp, as opposed to the European Sleeper? (I loved boarding in Antwerp Central Station!)

5 Sep 2023 at 20:17 | Open on mastodon.social
Maartje

@verbeeld no they do HSL2 to Liège. They follow the ICE route to Germany. Where they get a locomotive change in Aachen (they charter an SNCB HLE18 for 200kmh approval)

That will be the biggest route difference

5 Sep 2023 at 20:21 | Open on blahaj.social
Cas Blaauw

@maartje the German press release has a nice map: deutschebahn.com/de/presse/pre

Splitting the Paris and Brussels carriages in Mannheim is a bit of a diversion, but as long as the departure and arrival times are alright that doesn't have to matter really.

5 Sep 2023 at 20:07 | Open on genomic.social
Maartje

@casblaauw they try to sync Paris Brussels it seems… earlier leaked drafts proposed Mainz

5 Sep 2023 at 20:08 | Open on blahaj.social
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