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Mastodon Engineering

The first beta of #Mastodon 4.2.0 is now available for testing! There are too many improvements to count. See the extensive changelog and upgrade instructions here:

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/r

71 comments
Tshepang Mbambo

@gicrisf @MastodonEngineering is this similar to #phanpy, where it is easy to see complex conversation flow

Matt

@tshepang @gicrisf @MastodonEngineering Not quite unfortunately, it helps keep track of direct replies to people but it doesn't nest, so I don't think it's that useful honestly.

Giovanni Crisalfi

@mattswift @tshepang @MastodonEngineering I think it will be like the bird site. It doesn't nest, but it helps following the threads, visually. I always missed this feature on here

Matt

@gicrisf @tshepang @MastodonEngineering I've never been on Twitter so I don't really know how it works there.

The lines do help a little, but nesting more similar to Reddit or other Fediverse software (such as Firefish) is much more ideal I think, as it's even easier to follow conversations then.

I added a small example image from a Firefish reply section to show you what I mean.

El Duvelle

@MastodonEngineering
Nice! Of those I understand I spotted some cool new features:

- “Add support for importing lists” !!!
- “Add lines to threads in web UI” I thought it already had that?
- “Add new onboarding flow to web UI”
- “Change reblogs to be excluded from "Posts and replies" tab in web UI” that would be nice
- “Change account search to match by text when opted-in” I wonder if that means full text instead of only hashtag search?? That would be big!Also:
- “Change 'favourite' to 'favorite' for American English “ oh no!

@MastodonEngineering
Nice! Of those I understand I spotted some cool new features:

- “Add support for importing lists” !!!
- “Add lines to threads in web UI” I thought it already had that?
- “Add new onboarding flow to web UI”
- “Change reblogs to be excluded from "Posts and replies" tab in web UI” that would be nice
- “Change account search to match by text when opted-in” I wonder if that means full text instead of only hashtag search?? That would be big!Also:
- “Change 'favourite' to 'favorite'...

KuJoe 💞

@downey so this is required now? I thought the PR said optional? Why did this change?

Michael Downey 🇺🇳

@KuJoe because the BDFL insists on running and growing a server that shouldn't exist.

KuJoe 💞

@downey that doesn't answer my question, why isn't it optional anymore?

Matt :idic: 🌌

@KuJoe @downey it is optional (for admins to enable/disable): it requires an API key for the service before it can be enabled

KuJoe 💞

@matt thanks, that's what I thought but I felt like I was missing something because of the wording of that post.

Michael Downey 🇺🇳

@KuJoe How is it not loaded without users' consent?

KuJoe 💞

@downey is it still loaded when it's disabled with no API key?

Michael Downey 🇺🇳

@KuJoe Do users have any control over that? No. Enough trolling; enjoy your block.

KuJoe 💞

I guess my legitimate question about how software I've never used works was too much? Oh well, that basically tells me all I need to know about this claim.

lalalala sombra

@downey @MastodonEngineering I thought hCaptcha was the good one. Disappointing.

Adblockers will always be a necessity.

max frühschütz – нет войне

@downey @MastodonEngineering weird that they went for a proprietary solution instead of something like mosparo

GMate8

@downey @MastodonEngineering I said, they don't really care about us anymore.

GMate8

@downey @MastodonEngineering but it's true we could argue about DeepL translation feature too, if we take this as we take it.

KuJoe 💞

@MastodonEngineering what does this mean exactly? Do I need to make changes to my Streaming servers to make them work or do I need to drop down to one server?

"Drops built-in clustering support from the streaming server"

Chris Ely

Yay! Useful lists are closer:

- Add exclusive lists
- Add support for importing lists
- Add ability to include accounts with pending follow requests in lists

@MastodonEngineering

mem_somerville

@MastodonEngineering I had a weird thing happen today and I can't get rid of it. At the top of my caturday column I have an offer to follow this hashtag. I don't want to follow it, I want it to just flow into this column.

But I can't get rid of the header thing.

Does anyone know how to remove it? Or should I report that somewhere?

Five Element Ninja

@mem_somerville @MastodonEngineering As far as I can tell there's no option to remove it. However, I was able to remove them using uBlock Origin's element zapper. Now my columns are back to normal. If you use something like Tampermonkey or Stylish, you can target those headers via the class .hashtag-header. Not ideal, but it works.

Matt

@mem_somerville @MastodonEngineering This is a feature - technically this was always there, just before it was a small image instead of a large button, they just made it more obvious that it exists now as having unexplained icons for everything is bad UI design.

Technically you could use cosmetic filtering in something like uBlock Origin to get rid of it, however that would remove it from all hashtag timelines.

Isotope

@MastodonEngineering The only thing Mastodon now needs is better content

BeAware :fediverse:

@MastodonEngineering honestly don't see how killing off relay.fedi.buzz is an improvement....🤦🏻‍♂️killing usability of your platform for small #instance #mastoadmin.....yikes.

#Mastodon #Fediverse

Arazil

@MastodonEngineering I upgraded my single user instance from yesterday's nightly to today's beta release. It has been smooth sailing so far. #mastoadmin

Ividapp Avidapp എല്ലായിടത്തും!

@MastodonEngineering Dear Sir, Kindly provide push notification feature without depending on #Google play service for #degoogled phones 😌 #mastodon #fediverse

Solarbird :flag_cascadia:

@MastodonEngineering

Breaking relay.fedi.buzz - particularly with ZERO notice - is a _crushing_ negative for hashtag games and follows on small instances. Ad hoc group activities like monsterdon and tcmparty and hashtaggames itself are largely possible on small instances _because of_ hashtag relay services like fedi.buzz, and whole-instance relaying is _not_ a solution for us.

(Imagine small instances trying to relay all of mastodon.social, come on. No.)

It’s also prohibitive against other uses on small instances like emergency tracking. If you want to try to do that, you’d better be on a big instance like mastodon.social.

This is a massive kneecapping and it’s going out without consideration or notice.

@MastodonEngineering

Breaking relay.fedi.buzz - particularly with ZERO notice - is a _crushing_ negative for hashtag games and follows on small instances. Ad hoc group activities like monsterdon and tcmparty and hashtaggames itself are largely possible on small instances _because of_ hashtag relay services like fedi.buzz, and whole-instance relaying is _not_ a solution for us.

joene 🏴🍉🌲

@MastodonEngineering As also mentioned on GitHub:

- Please consider to change 'Live feeds' to 'Public timelines'. It much better describes where it's about and existing users will not complain about missing functionality. github.com/mastodon/mastodon/p

- Please remove the new legal report category feature or at least give server owners the option to disable it. github.com/mastodon/mastodon/p

DELETED

@MastodonEngineering no one is talking about how there is no actual features added. Badges aren’t a thing people want. People want actual new things into mastodon, a better way to talk to other servers, better ways to not missclick when using mobile phones because you guys put the sidebar on the right side, etc. NEW FEATURES.

Elephantidae

@MastodonEngineering

I was so happy when you announced that there would be a separate account for posting developer news that ordinary followers of the @Mastodon would not need to know. But then what is the point, @Mastodon, if you then just boost the posts only server admins need to know about?

Any way, as always, thanks to all the folks dedicated to improving Mastodon!!!

laalsaas

@MastodonEngineering This release will break relay.fedi.buzz, a great service by @astro. It worsens UX for Users on smaller instances, defeating the purpose of federation by making it less attractive.

GunChleoc

@MastodonEngineering Can you pull translations from Crowdin before the next release, please? They are missing fro beta3 😉

dinsvenskicyberrymden

@MastodonEngineering

There is also another really important feature lacking. Time based posts.

Ability to set a feature date for when a post will be published.

Also very good for privacy.

When you are on vacation and don't want people to know you are away from home.

Or need to time an event but are not sure you will be able to post at the right time. Example a birthday or celebration.

Users should not have to use 3rd party sites.

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